Stockton Heat 2015/2016 General Discussion

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by StocktonHeatLVR

It was Kessy, the game I saw was the flames preseason game with Edmonton when they fought.

that makes much more sense lol

[sureLoss]

The big issue with loaning players to other AHL teams is you basically lose control of their development.

An independent team will focus more on winning than development. If their coach decides his team will have a better chance healthy scratching your prospect for a stretch or giving him limited ice time, you really get no say.

If you put him on a team with an affiliate agreement with another NHL team, their priority will be to play and develop that team's prospects and your prospect will be an after thought.

IIRC with regards to Wahl being loaned to the Bulldogs, Feaster said that once you loan a prospect to a non-affiliated AHL team he is stuck playing with that AHL team for the rest of the season.

It is not something you want to do with a prospect if you are concerned about developing him.

[druetetective]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

The big issue with loaning players to other AHL teams is you basically lose control of their development.

An independent team will focus more on winning than development. If their coach decides his team will have a better chance healthy scratching your prospect for a stretch or giving him limited ice time, you really get no say.

If you put him on a team with an affiliate agreement with another NHL team, their priority will be to play and develop that team's prospects and your prospect will be an after thought.

IIRC with regards to Wahl being loaned to the Bulldogs, Feaster said that once you loan a prospect to a non-affiliated AHL team he is stuck playing with that AHL team for the rest of the season.

It is not something you want to do with a prospect if you are concerned about developing him.

Yeah makes sense.
For anyone that follows the NBA, the Raptors went through a similar situation last year with their top prospect.

Sent him to a independent team in the development league who benched him, it was the main catalyst in them getting their own team for the coming season.

Perhaps the Wahl fiasco was part of the reason the Flames pursued an ECHL affiliation, or did we have the Wranglers or Aces at the time? I don't remember.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by druetetective

Yeah makes sense.
For anyone that follows the NBA, the Raptors went through a similar situation last year with their top prospect.

Sent him to a independent team in the development league who benched him, it was the main catalyst in them getting their own team for the coming season.

Perhaps the Wahl fiasco was part of the reason the Flames pursued an ECHL affiliation, or did we have the Wranglers or Aces at the time? I don't remember.

Probably at the time we were with the Wranglers. Before the Wranglers I think we were with the Johnstown Chiefs which was pretty cool. The difference now is that we own the Adirondack team and plan to use it as a development team, not just a place to park a prospect who isn't ready for the AHL.

[StocktonHeatLVR]

Originally Posted by iggysback05

Anyone know why we didn't see Hathaway? I would have thought he'd be in every night? Is he nicked up perhaps?

Hathaway is not listed on the roster at all.
NAME POS HEIGHT WEIGHT AGE BIRTH PLACE
15 Agostino, Kenny LW 6'0" 210 23 Morristown, NJ
46 Arnold, Bill C 6'0" 195 23 Needham, MA
20 Carroll, Austin RW 6'3" 216 21 Calgary, AB
3 Culkin, Ryan D 6'2" 201 21 Montreal, PQ
13 Elson, Turner LW 5'11" 180 23 New Westminster, BC
36 Gillies, Jon G 6'5" 215 21 Concord, NH
27 Grant, Derek C 6'3" 206 25 Abbotsford, BC
39 Hartzell, Eric G 6'4" 205 26 White Bear Lake, MN
22 Heard, Mitchell C 6'0" 181 23 Bowmanville, ON
40 Hunt, Garet LW 5'8" 190 27 Maple Ridge, BC
45 Johnson, Aaron D 6'1" 205 32 Port Hawkesbury, NS
8 Kanzig, Keegan D 6'7" 245 20 Athabasca, AB
16 Kirkpatrick, Michael C 5'11" 181 25 North Sydney, NS
18 Klimchuk, Morgan LW 6'0" 185 20 Regina, SK
4 Kylington, Oliver D 6'0" 180 18 Stockholm, SWE
32 Lomberg, Ryan LW 5'10" 180 20 Richmond Hill, ONT
7 Morrison, Kenney D 6'2" 205 23 Lloydminster, AB
21 Poirier, Emile RW 6'2" 200 20 Montreal, PQ
25 Riley, Blair RW 6'0" 209 29 Chase, BC
10 Sieloff, Pat D 6'1" 210 21 Ann Arbor, MI
30 Simpson, Kent G 6'3" 185 23 Edmonton, AB
34 Smith, Hunter RW 6'6" 207 20 Windsor, ONT
6 Stevenson, Dustin D 6'3" 215 25 Gull Lake, SK
48 Van Brabant, Bryce LW 6'3" 215 23 Edmonton, AB

[sureLoss]

^ I wouldn't get too worried about team's official roster pages. Sometimes players go missing. There was a some excitement last year at the trade deadline when some players went missing from calgaryflames.com for a few hours.

He is still listed as #9 for Stockton on the AHL's website:
http://theahl.com/stats/player.php?id=5426

[sureLoss]

BTW these were the lines for the first game per Darren Haynes:

Agostino - Granlund - Shore
Elson - Grant - Poirier
Klimchuk - Hamilton - Riley
Van Brabant - Arnold - Smith

Wotherspoon - Nakladal
Stevenson - Johnson
Sieloff - Kylington

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by StocktonHeatLVR

Hathaway is not listed on the roster at all.
NAME POS HEIGHT WEIGHT AGE BIRTH PLACE
15 Agostino, Kenny LW 6'0" 210 23 Morristown, NJ
46 Arnold, Bill C 6'0" 195 23 Needham, MA
20 Carroll, Austin RW 6'3" 216 21 Calgary, AB
3 Culkin, Ryan D 6'2" 201 21 Montreal, PQ
13 Elson, Turner LW 5'11" 180 23 New Westminster, BC
36 Gillies, Jon G 6'5" 215 21 Concord, NH
27 Grant, Derek C 6'3" 206 25 Abbotsford, BC
39 Hartzell, Eric G 6'4" 205 26 White Bear Lake, MN
22 Heard, Mitchell C 6'0" 181 23 Bowmanville, ON
40 Hunt, Garet LW 5'8" 190 27 Maple Ridge, BC
45 Johnson, Aaron D 6'1" 205 32 Port Hawkesbury, NS
8 Kanzig, Keegan D 6'7" 245 20 Athabasca, AB
16 Kirkpatrick, Michael C 5'11" 181 25 North Sydney, NS
18 Klimchuk, Morgan LW 6'0" 185 20 Regina, SK
4 Kylington, Oliver D 6'0" 180 18 Stockholm, SWE
32 Lomberg, Ryan LW 5'10" 180 20 Richmond Hill, ONT
7 Morrison, Kenney D 6'2" 205 23 Lloydminster, AB
21 Poirier, Emile RW 6'2" 200 20 Montreal, PQ
25 Riley, Blair RW 6'0" 209 29 Chase, BC
10 Sieloff, Pat D 6'1" 210 21 Ann Arbor, MI
30 Simpson, Kent G 6'3" 185 23 Edmonton, AB
34 Smith, Hunter RW 6'6" 207 20 Windsor, ONT
6 Stevenson, Dustin D 6'3" 215 25 Gull Lake, SK
48 Van Brabant, Bryce LW 6'3" 215 23 Edmonton, AB

Official roster

http://stocktonheat.com/news/heat-an...ugural-roster/

Granlund, Orr, Nakladal and Hamilton are missing off that list too. It also has Hartzell who was the final cut

[David Struch]

Ryan Culkin isn't listed on the Official roster either, what is his injury status?

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by David Struch

Ryan Culkin isn't listed on the Official roster either, what is his injury status?

He is still with Calgary because he was injured in training camp. Non-roster injured.

His prognosis was 6-8 weeks in mid September. Probably back in 2-4 weeks.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

BTW these were the lines for the first game per Darren Haynes:

Agostino - Granlund - Shore
Elson - Grant - Poirier
Klimchuk - Hamilton - Riley
Van Brabant - Arnold - Smith

Wotherspoon - Nakladal
Stevenson - Johnson
Sieloff - Kylington

So frustrating. I can't even look at those lines without shaking my head. Where do I even start?

How do you put a guy like Arnold with BVB and Smith? Klimchuk won't get his scoring touch at this level playing with Hamilton and Riley.

[Hack&Lube]

After checking on the Heat's Facebook page, it looks like some local fans are wondering where 7-year veteran Thunder captain and local hero Garet Hunt is. I never knew about that history before and didn't know that the Heat signed him from the ECHL team.

Just an extra body or someone for the locals to cheer? He apparently didn't play.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

After checking on the Heat's Facebook page, it looks like some local fans are wondering where 7-year veteran Thunder captain and local hero Garet Hunt is. I never knew about that history before and didn't know that the Heat signed him from the ECHL team.

Just an extra body or someone for the locals to cheer? He apparently didn't play.

He is on a tryout with the Heat, they haven't signed him yet AFAIK. Had some good showings in their preseason games.

[Flame19,289]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

So frustrating. I can't even look at those lines without shaking my head. Where do I even start?

How do you put a guy like Arnold with BVB and Smith? Klimchuk won't get his scoring touch at this level playing with Hamilton and Riley.

With Arnold, I think he has a really good shot of getting a call-up with the Flames at some point this season. And when he does, he will likely be on the 4th line.

So, perhaps they are just developing his skill set in a manner that will be most beneficial to the big club when that call-up occurs.

[icarus]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Haha. The Heat play by play guy sure isn't afraid to let it buck when the Heat score.

LOL. Who is that guy? He crazy.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

I frickin' love the Heat's play by play guy.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

I frickin' love the Heat's play by play guy.

same here, he's awesome.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

After checking on the Heat's Facebook page, it looks like some local fans are wondering where 7-year veteran Thunder captain and local hero Garet Hunt is. I never knew about that history before and didn't know that the Heat signed him from the ECHL team.

Just an extra body or someone for the locals to cheer? He apparently didn't play.

They will get over it with a few more 7-0 showings.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

I frickin' love the Heat's play by play guy.

IIRC he is actually much more than that, I believe he handles media relations for the club as well. He also interned with the Lightning, not sure as what, but he mentioned it during the game as one of the Rockford players was in the Tampa Organization when he was.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

IIRC he is actually much more than that, I believe he handles media relations for the club as well. He also interned with the Lightning, not sure as what, but he mentioned it during the game as one of the Rockford players was in the Tampa Organization when he was.

Yes he does do all their media stuff. I'm fairly certain that the articles on their site are his as well.