2014/2015 PGA Tour and Champions Tour Thread

[Senator Clay Davis]

McIlroy and Spieth are the two mega talents in golf right now. Everyone else is looking up at them. That will be the rivalry in the coming years. No offense to Fowler and Dustin but Martin Kaymer has two majors and they have zero. Not sure you can call them rivalry worthy with Spieth and McIlroy. Day might have a claim but I think he's still quite a bit behind Rory and Jordan.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

This might be a problem though, it doesn't have a foil, or a villain. During the Big 4 era everyone cheered for Tiger against the other three, especially Vijay.

But now out of 5? youngsters, Spieth, McIlroy, Day, Fowler, Dustin... who is the villain?

If they are all tied for the lead going into the final round, who are people cheering for and against?

Bubba Watson.

For as many who cheer for the huge drives, creativity, and "self taught" good ol' boy; there are as many or more who sound like they are getting tired of his petulance, how when things start to go wrong he can really go off the rails on people, and his whining about crowds in Europe didn't win him many friends.

That is about as big a foil as I can come up with off the top of my head.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Bubba Watson.

For as many who cheer for the huge drives, creativity, and "self taught" good ol' boy; there are as many or more who sound like they are getting tired of his petulance, how when things start to go wrong he can really go off the rails on people, and his whining about crowds in Europe didn't win him many friends.

That is about as big a foil as I can come up with off the top of my head.

And yet this describes Tiger Woods perfectly as well except for the things going wrong part. Tiger was definitely always petulant, swearing like mad, and whining about the crowds (and letting Steve Williams do whatever).

I don't get what made Tiger so popular other than winning. He was pretty much a clear jerkoff before the cheating scandal broke.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

This might be a problem though, it doesn't have a foil, or a villain. During the Big 4 era everyone cheered for Tiger against the other three, especially Vijay.

But now out of 5? youngsters, Spieth, McIlroy, Day, Fowler, Dustin... who is the villain?

If they are all tied for the lead going into the final round, who are people cheering for and against?

Golf doesn't need a villain, it needs competition.

With the original big 3 - Arnie, Jack and Gary Player - there was no villain, only great golf and a heightened level of competition.

People who watch golf want to see greatness, not good vs evil

[Zarley]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

And yet this describes Tiger Woods perfectly as well except for the things going wrong part. Tiger was definitely always petulant, swearing like mad, and whining about the crowds (and letting Steve Williams do whatever).

I don't get what made Tiger so popular other than winning. He was pretty much a clear jerkoff before the cheating scandal broke.

Agreed, Tiger was worse than Bubba in terms of poor etiquette. I really enjoyed cheering against him.

[GirlySports]

Jack was clearly the villain to Arnold.

I didn't include Bubba or Rose because they are already mid-30s. Kaymer was one I missed.

I wish it was Ian Poulter at the top, that would be entertainment. Maybe McIlroy needs to trash-talk at the next Ryder Cup.

[Enoch Root]

Jack was not a villain.

He didn't have Arnie's charisma, but he was still a good, clean, all-American kid with a respect for the game.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Bubba Watson.

... how when things start to go wrong he can really go off the rails on people, and his whining about crowds in Europe didn't win him many friends.

Exactly!!

[Flabbibulin]

Out of nowhere, Tiger is 6 under through 15 at the Wyndham Championship. I guess he really wants to be in the playoffs next week. Don't know the math, but I think he needs to win this week to qualify? Don't think just a high finish will cut it.

[Gravitykillr]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

Out of nowhere, Tiger is 6 under through 15 at the Wyndham Championship. I guess he really wants to be in the playoffs next week. Don't know the math, but I think he needs to win this week to qualify? Don't think just a high finish will cut it.

He has to finish in 2nd on his own or win to get into the playoffs

[Senator Clay Davis]

And then he's gonna have to put together some top level finishes to keep advancing through the playoffs.

[DoubleK]

I hope he wins and then runs the table in the playoffs.

Extremely unlikely, I know. But would be awesome to see.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

Out of nowhere, Tiger is 6 under through 15 at the Wyndham Championship. I guess he really wants to be in the playoffs next week. Don't know the math, but I think he needs to win this week to qualify? Don't think just a high finish will cut it.

His post PGA interview was very upbeat, came across as someone that had identified his problems, was optimistic that he was turning a corner and felt that he was very close to a solution as opposed to someone in despair. I got the impression that the self belief is still there.

[Flabbibulin]

Wow, Tiger tied for the lead at 11 under.

[Roof-Daddy]

Sure would be nice to have Tiger back.

[Strange Brew]

Hate him all you want but golf is more interesting to watch when Tiger is in the hunt.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

Wow, Tiger tied for the lead at 11 under.

[Flabbibulin]

Tiger playing well today, just not sinking those mid range birdie putts.

[Strange Brew]

Tiger implodes with a triple on the back nine. Looks like DL3 might pull it out which would be nice.

No way I'm tuning into that tournament except that Tiger was near the lead for a while. Maybe he is able to be competitive next year?

[DoubleK]

He was competitive this year. He had a tough hole on 11, otherwise he makes the playoffs.

You left out the part where he birdied 4 of his last 6 holes.