[Signing] Flames sign Deryk Engelland (3yrs, $2.9M AAV)

[Kickazzflames]

Needed to overpay to hit the cap floor.. Only wish it was for a different type of defenseman. But I guess I can live with a big hitting defenseman. Also the term needed to be 1-2 years, 3 is pushing it.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by bigbadboss101

Yeah last year Bieksa picked the weakest guy on the ice in Smid and Smid did ok. I don't know if he would go with DE.

Butler was the weakest on the ice, he had never even been in an NHL fight.

Sorry, correction, weakest on the Flames.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Ashasx, I'd chill out if i where you or else the ban hammer is going to drop on your head.

[Read Only]

Originally Posted by burnitdown

At $2.9M, he'll have to play on the 2nd pairing to even come close to meeting this contract.

If that is the case then I guess Brodie is screwed as Gio, Wideman, Smid also all be playing 2nd pairing minutes to justify their deals and Russell at 2.6 must be pretty close to having to play those minutes to justify his deal as well.

[transplant99]

Overpayment? Sure...by a bit. Its UFA day, everyone gets more than they would if they werent a free agent.

The Flames needed to get tougher on the blueline in order to protect their G's, this guy without question fills that need. He also can play F in a pinch which never hurts for a guy to be versatile. Also he is a RH shot which was despeately needed.

Its a short term so no, it does nothing to hurt the club in the future. Still have 18 million dollars to play with if needed.

Its all good.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Ashasx, I'd chill out if i where you or else the ban hammer is going to drop on your head.

?

What have I done wrong?

Said I don't like this signing? Take criticism from the usual suspects? Get called a crying, over-reacting baby?

I'm the one who has to worry about the ban hammer?

[Rhettzky]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

yep.

Once again, here on CP, if anyone disagrees, they are crying babies who are overreacting. The Flames simply cannot do any wrong. Sorry, I forgot.

Most posters in this thread thought this was a terrible contract before I even posted. Once I did, the wolves were on me like clockwork.

Don't try to play the victim here, you did the same thing during the draft. Something you don't agree with happens and instead of just saying your piece you make 10 posts a minute and fly off the handle. Just relax.

[GreenLantern]

I know that there is a large ego surrounding the city of Calgary, but let us face facts here. This isn't a desireable location in the hockey sense if you want to win, the team is in rebuild mode and will be for at least 2 more years. So right away the Flames have to over pay. After that, they are in the middle of the pack for desireable cities in Canada. Above Edmonton/Winnipeg, on par with Ottawa, but below Toronto/Montreal/Vancouver.

So you have a team that isn't winning and that most people don't want to live in.. that means you have to over pay. Let's just be glad it isn't a longer term than it is..

[Flames Draft Watcher]

For a team that had Sarich making 3.6 and then 3.0 to be a 6/7 guy when the cap was much lower this doesn't look too crazy to me. Certainly won't cripple us at any point IMO. Hopefully he skates better than Smid and Sarich, I haven't watched him too closely.

[cral12]

One of the Pens writers at THW raved about his versatility back in January:

The Versatility of Deryk Engelland and Why Pens Fans Should Care

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Treliving just said he thinks Engelland has been under appreciated and that he's a good character guy.

[theoforever]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

For a team that had Sarich making 3.6 and then 3.0 to be a 6/7 guy when the cap was much lower this doesn't look too crazy to me. Certainly won't cripple us at any point IMO. Hopefully he skates better than Smid and Sarich, I haven't watched him too closely.

Sarich was a way better player.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Rhettzky

Don't try to play the victim here, you did the same thing during the draft. Something you don't agree with happens and instead of just saying your piece you make 10 posts a minute and fly off the handle. Just relax.

I disagreed with a move made during the draft for a player I don't believe is good. Yes.

People jumped on me.

I disagreed with a move made on July 1.

People jumped on me.

Have I broken a law? Gone against the terms of the forum? Who really is the one overreacting?

[bubbsy]

I'm done. Not a good deal, but excited for the team to start camp and seeing what he brings. Hope he's a leader who gets in scrums at will.

[Read Only]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Some people, like you, try and justify moves their teams make no matter how bad they are. This should have been 2.9 over 3 years instead of per season. It is easily top 3 worst deal of the day, so far.

As an natural optimist it is in my nature to love all the moves the Flames make and have been guilty of defending way too many of the Flames moves recently but I don't think that is the case here.

It isn't top 3 worst deal of the day because it isn't enough to hurt the Flames or affect how they operate going forward. It doesn't handcuff them, it doesn't prevent them from signing/adding anyone in the future and it doesn't prevent a young guy from playing.

It is too much money yes but not so outrageous or damaging that it matters that much at all.

[Rhettzky]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I disagreed with a move made during the draft for a player I don't believe is good. Yes.

People jumped on me.

I disagreed with a move made on July 1.

People jumped on me.

Have I broken a law? Gone against the terms of the forum? Who really is the one overreacting?

You are, go read your post history in those threads. It's embarrassing really.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Rhettzky

You are, go read your post history in those threads. It's embarrassing really.

It's embarrassing that, if you say anything that goes against the "Flames can do no wrong" mantra that many posters on the forum have developed, these same people mock you and ask for the ban hammer.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I disagreed with a move made during the draft for a player I don't believe is good. Yes.

People jumped on me.

I disagreed with a move made on July 1.

People jumped on me.

Have I broken a law? Gone against the terms of the forum? Who really is the one overreacting?

Let it go. Nobody is picking on you but they are getting tired of you answering every post with your opinion as facts and ruining the thread. Makes it tough to read.

[chubeyr1]

A cap floor signing! Another protector on the ice for the kids. I have no issues with this signing. Maybe a year too long? Money is an overpayment but so was a 3rd for Bollig!

Calgary's defense lacks a tough guy, Obrien would still be in the league if he played like this. I like the move. As for price? Don't really care. Over paid? Absolutely, yet we are not spending to the cap ceiling. I don't care about the owners saving a buck or two.

Got a lot of young guys making their debut this year on our team. We are protecting them and letting them develop right. Rebuild, another year or two away from contending for a playoff spot or more.

So proud of this team with how they protected monohan last year. Kid is a power forward but would get his butt kicked if not protected. Thought monohan played pretty soft the first part of the year. Towards the end of the season though he really stepped up the physical play.

I like this signing. Overpayment for sure! Yet its value is in what the kids do, not what engelland does.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Read Only

As an natural optimist it is in my nature to love all the moves the Flames make and have been guilty of defending way too many of the Flames moves recently but I don't think that is the case here.

It isn't top 3 worst deal of the day because it isn't enough to hurt the Flames or affect how they operate going forward. It doesn't handcuff them, it doesn't prevent them from signing/adding anyone in the future and it doesn't prevent a young guy from playing.

It is too much money yes but not so outrageous or damaging that it matters that much at all.

I agree it's not top 3 worst. After looking at the contracts, it currently sits at 4th worst IMO

I understand that it might not impact the Flames immediately, but we don't know what can happen in a year or two and I'd rather take on a bad contract via trade and get something for it rather than just sign our own bad contract.