The first article pretty much guarantees that the Xbox wont need to be online 24/7.
I think i have an idea why Microsoft would want those needs.
And backs up what me and my friends already do just import our profiles on there Xbox in order to play the games.
I have no doubt MS (and Sony) wants to have as much control over their customer base as possible. They want the always on-line feature, and they want the games tied to user profiles. Thus, they've built it all in so that at the flip of a switch, they can do it. Now is the juggling act of how much control they can exert before significantly pissing off their user base to the point where they don't buy the product.
MS will most likely try to implement as much as possible, and scale back if and when it's neccessary. Hence why all the mixed messages and different people in the same company contradicting themselves. Reading all the fluff from those interviews, it's all just spin and damage control.
Neither beat the Gamecube controller however, which is basically the mecca of controller design. They just needed to scale it up ~20% for larger handed folks, and offer it in both sizes.
The Gamecube's D-Pad is horrific. It was way too small and clearly not intended to be used regularly.
Survey Question One: If the Xbox One must use the Internet but can run online, then I will accept an offline gaming mode that lasts as little as ________ hours/days/weeks/months.
Survey Question Two: If used Xbox One games must be bought at full price, then I expect Xbox One games to cost no more than ____ dollars.
1. Never is probably not a good answer. But I think 4-6 months is reasonable. About the same amount of time between XBL updates on my 360.
2. $50-60 for new games seems fine to me so long as they depreciate in value over time. Unless of course they eventually go towards no physical copies at all. Then that price should drop very dramatically. $30-$40 if they have no DVD production costs.
Has there ever been a press conference that gaming fans have enjoyed and not whined like babies about after?
Whenever one happens, it's always whining.
Yeah I don't get why fanboys are overreacting like this. Sony didn't even show hardware at their presser and for all we know are having issues with fitting their hardware in a decent size enclosure. Yet fans think their presser was brilliant? We don't even know if the hardware exists.
The 360 has been the top selling console in North America for 28 straight months. They pioneered and perfected online console gaming to which Sony and Nintendo are still playing catchup. I have a hard time believing that they have miscaclulated here as this isn't like Sony with the PS3 where their arrogance and use of overly complex processors in a failed quest to out-horsepower Microsofts console ticked off developers and never proved superior over time. The hardware specs this time are nearly identical so it's still going to come down to experience, games, and online features. It's like declaring draft winners the day after the draft. Nobody will know for a few years who the winner will be.
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In a bizarre attempt to provide “clarification” over the mixed signals on how Xbox One will handle used games, Xbox evangelist Larry “Major Nelson” Hryb has issued a statement meant to clarify the company’s stance. The statement does not succeed in doing that.
Since the details of those arrangements is clearly changing, the onus would be on Microsoft to make the coming changes abundantly transparent.
Microsoft didn't, and it wants to pretend it's not its fault.
The statement itself is a joke, too.
“Reports about our policies for trade in and resale are inaccurate and incomplete.”
Microsoft is the one who put its executives and representatives in front of the press earlier this week, and presented increasingly conflicted information. The problem has been getting anything remotely resembling a clear answer out of them. The press hasn’t mangled Microsoft’s message, it’s that Microsoft has very little to say, and wants to point the blame at someone else with the wave of a hand. It won't work.
Sorry, Microsoft. It’s your problem, not mine. Try a little honesty next time?
I'll be buying an Xbox. People rave about how the PS4 will have marginally better performance based on their specs, which will only affect their exclusive titles due to the fact that console developers will most likely be developing their games to service the lowest common denominator.
Technically the PS3 is more powerful than the Xbox 360, tell that to the people who can't play Skyrim all the way through because the PS3 can't handle their save files.
I have an internet connection all the time, so why would I care that the Xbox requires a daily update from the internet?
Xbox live has never let me down. It offers way more features than I ever care to use and for 60 bucks a year, its worth the money, nobody seems to remember when Sony screwed up the Playstation network so bad that they had to issue a worldwide apology and give away free games to get people to come back.
People who enjoy their playstations will enjoy their PS4, people who enjoy their Xboxs will enjoy their Xbox One, and people who bitch about marginal performance differences in their consoles should probably try to enjoy PC gaming instead.
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People who enjoy their playstations will enjoy their PS4, people who enjoy their Xboxs will enjoy their Xbox One, and people who bitch about marginal performance differences in their consoles should probably try to enjoy PC gaming instead.
I'll buy both like I always do as I really don't care about the fanboy stuff. I used my 360 more than my PS3 and most of that is due to my preference for the 360 controller, better online and the fact that most multi platform games looked or ran better on the 360. It will probably be the same this gen as the Xbox controller looks to be as good or better but you never know if Sony improves their online experience but that new controller with the gimmicky touchpad looks like some lame features may be added to games that will turn me off.
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I'll buy both like I always do as I really don't care about the fanboy stuff. I used my 360 more than my PS3 and most of that is due to my preference for the 360 controller, better online and the fact that most multi platform games looked or ran better on the 360. It will probably be the same this gen as the Xbox controller looks to be as good or better but you never know if Sony improves their online experience but that new controller with the gimmicky touchpad looks like some lame features may be added to games that will turn me off.
When the first generation Xbox 360 dropped and they hado the red ring of death problems, I sent my Xbox away for repair, bought a new one and had that one crap out on me in less than two weeks before my other one came back. I got so mad I swore I would never do it again and went out and bought a PS3.
Absolutely nothing about the PS3 impressed me, when I plugged my Xbox into my Aquos through HDMI, it immediately knew what it was, and the optimal setting to run it at. When I plugged my PS3 into it, it wouldn't even show a picture and after many frustrating attempts, I ran the thing on composites.
o this day if you google 'PS3 Aquos problems' you'll get forums full of frustrated people who can't get 1080p on their top of the line TV's, After that I gave the PS3 back to my roommate and never looked back.
The PS controller is better for fighting games, button mashers, and Tony Hawk-style crazy combo constant pushing games, and has a better D-Pad. The XBOX 360/S controller is more comfortable to hold, and has better analog sticks.
Neither beat the Gamecube controller however, which is basically the mecca of controller design. They just needed to scale it up ~20% for larger handed folks, and offer it in both sizes.
A monster controller for your magnum hands?
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The controller is personal preference... people saying that the PS controller is awkward and too small is like saying the Xbox controller is big and clunky in the hands.
Nyko and Gioteck both make Xbox style controllers for the PS3, they probably will for the PS4 I imagine. Both produce premium controllers. I owned a Nyko one and it still works.
I don't care about the always online or used game stuff, but I refuse to purchase a device that requires an always-on camera and microphone to even function
I don't care about the always online or used game stuff, but I refuse to purchase a device that requires an always-on camera and microphone to even function
yup, having an always on camera/mic in my family/living room (any room for that matter) is unacceptable. this alone would be enough to force my hand in swtiching from being an xbox guy to PS.
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The "Used Game Fee" infuriates me the most. Eighty percent of my game collection has an EB Games sticker on it or some other pawn shop, rental store sticker on it. If I want to try out Borderlands 2, for example, to see if I like it, my options right now are: a) go rent it for $10 for the week, b) buy it used for $20, or c) buy it new for $30. Most of the time I'll pick option B.
I'm just really frustrated by the details of Microsoft's gaming aspect so far. Your move Sony. My $500 is riding on it.
Here's my question to you: as somebody who buys used games, do you actually think your $500 is incentive to them? Microsoft doesn't give a damn about you. I don't mean that in a "big corporations don't care" sort of way, I'm saying that from their perspective the gamer who has 80% used games in their library isn't a valuable customer. They and the developers make no money off you, and in reality you probably cost them money because they are the ones paying to keep the Live servers going.
Anybody thinking Sony won't come out with an exact replica of whatever Microsoft is doing at E3 is going to be in for a world of disappointment. You can get your "console gaming is dead" arguments ready, because it's coming. Graphics aren't the only thing that we console users lag behind the PC users on... the environment is also something we haven't quite reached yet.
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yup, having an always on camera/mic in my family/living room (any room for that matter) is unacceptable. this alone would be enough to force my hand in swtiching from being an xbox guy to PS.
To me this should be the bigger sticking point. There's multiple live demos out there where the camera is watching everybody's faces in a room and reporting back who is engaged, smiling, yawning, closing their eyes, frowning etc. CAN YOU IMAGINE how valuable that data could be to an advertiser? Imagine Coke makes a superbowl ad and within an hour Microsoft is able to provide them with instant feedback on how viewers reacted to it? They could say "at 0:13 when the polar bear cub stole the coke from his brother and fell on his ass, 27% of viewers looked up and smiled". If they can get people all over the world to buy this thing and watch tv through it, they wouldn't just make money, they'd make Google money. Really makes me wonder if the price could be just slashed with the expectation of making their money up in advertising revenue. The real value could be getting it into homes. Essentially it would be Gmail or Google Maps, where you don't "pay" in the traditional sense.
I should add, as somebody who has a foot in the world of marketing I'm not actually as bothered by this as others might be. I'm going to be advertised to anyway, my personal preference is to be hit with stuff I actually like.
Here's my question to you: as somebody who buys used games, do you actually think your $500 is incentive to them? Microsoft doesn't give a damn about you. I don't mean that in a "big corporations don't care" sort of way, I'm saying that from their perspective the gamer who has 80% used games in their library isn't a valuable customer. They and the developers make no money off you, and in reality you probably cost them money because they are the ones paying to keep the Live servers going.
Anybody thinking Sony won't come out with an exact replica of whatever Microsoft is doing at E3 is going to be in for a world of disappointment. You can get your "console gaming is dead" arguments ready, because it's coming. Graphics aren't the only thing that we console users lag behind the PC users on... the environment is also something we haven't quite reached yet.
That's a very good point. And I realize that from a business perspective, used games are a major major problem and, quite frankly, a completely untapped source of revenue for Microsoft and developers.
From a consumer point of view, I hate that they're going to start making money off used games. They will essentially be killing locally owned rental and used game stores. But such is business. Most business sucks.
Oh well, if PS4 does the same "used game fee" I'll have no choice but to suck it up.
