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JiriHrdina · 04-01-2013, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by PeteLFan

Hate to say it but it looks like kipper has quit on us this year.

Ignorance. The man is one of the most competitive players on the team. He doesn't give up on any goal let along "quitting on us".

His skills are diminishing. Do we need to start questioning his character?

PeteLFan · 04-01-2013, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Ignorance. The man is one of the most competitive players on the team. He doesn't give up on any goal let along "quitting on us".

His skills are diminishing. Do we need to start questioning his character?

I don't think it's his skills. He's been left out to dry every game. He seems to be in the zone to start games, then gets pelleted and it's like awe crap not this again.

Ozy_Flame · 04-01-2013, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kyuss275

There are not many buyers for a goalie. Plus Kipper is pretty much being treated as if he has a NMC.

All it takes is two teams to drive up the price, bidding on his services. And well, here we are apparently.

GreenLantern2814 · 04-01-2013, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Muta

Not 100% confirmed whatsoever.

His play on the ice is that of a man who has resigned himself to the fact that he will soon no longer wear a flaming C.

GreenLantern2814 · 04-01-2013, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by PeteLFan

I don't think it's his skills. He's been left out to dry every game. He seems to be in the zone to start games, then gets pelleted and it's like awe crap not this again.

Which would indicate he's not done as a goalie, just done with this ####.

Gunkle · 04-01-2013, 06:24 PM

I could see the 'mystery' team, other than TO, being the Pens.
I don't think Fleury is healthy enough for a deep run.

Muta · 04-01-2013, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ark2

Why? His play is slipping and he is likely going to retire after this season. Even if he doesn't, there is no way he is still around by the time the Flames are good enough to have use for a franchise goalie. Use your heads people. It's time to move on.

If we get a 3rd for him, that's a long-shot anyways. Kipper is a fan favourite, not guaranteed to retire whatsoever, and given the lack of return on Iginla Feaster needs to get - at the very least - a 2nd.

Phanuthier · 04-01-2013, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by PeteLFan

Hate to say it but it looks like kipper has quit on us this year.

That's crap. The Flames have quit on him for the majority of half a decade, leaving him hanging out to dry and Kiprusoff playing out of his mind to keep us somewhat competitive.

kirant · 04-01-2013, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

His play on the ice is that of a man who has resigned himself to the fact that he will soon no longer wear a flaming C.

He's also playing like a 36 year old reflex based goaltender who's got a lottery team around him.

browna · 04-01-2013, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Gunkle

I could see the 'mystery' team, other than TO, being the Pens.
I don't think Fleury is healthy enough for a deep run.

Vokoun has two straight shutouts and 140 minutes of shutout hockey over the last 3 games as the Pens backup.

PeteLFan · 04-01-2013, 06:26 PM

Maybe quit was the wrong word. The team has been awful around him and he's probably fed up with his situation here at his age and is at his career.

Lanny_McDonald · 04-01-2013, 06:26 PM

Nostalgia is great and all, but it is better to get something for a player that will not be around at the end of the season. Kipper won't likely hang around for a rebuild, so it's best the Flames move him for an asset or two. The Flames are in the situation they are in because they refused to practice good asset management. Make the trade and move on, even if the pick is mid to late round pick. Something is better than nothing at this point.

Ark2 · 04-01-2013, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

It's not about a nostalgic factor. At all. It's about taking advantage of the seller's market, since not many sellers are available.

Feaster wouldn't be doing his job if he wasn't squeezing out every drop of value in trading assets like this.

Or do you condone just passing him off for the sake of change? If you are, I'm glad you're not GM. You have to change intelligently, not just change in general.

I am all for getting the best return possible. I was responding to a poster that was saying that if there was no "wow factor" that we should hold onto him. Take the best deal and move on. No point in standing pat with Kipper. That was my point.

JiriHrdina · 04-01-2013, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by PeteLFan

I don't think it's his skills. He's been left out to dry every game. He seems to be in the zone to start games, then gets pelleted and it's like awe crap not this again.

Disagree - he's not moving around like he used to. He's unable to get out to cut down angles as swiftly as he once did - his overall agility and quickness have taken a hit.
As one should expect given his age.

kyuss275 · 04-01-2013, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

All it takes is two teams to drive up the price, bidding on his services. And well, here we are apparently.

It will take 2 teams that will make him a starter to drive up the price.

Kipper would not play for his olympic team unless he was named the starter. I doubt anything has changed.

REDVAN · 04-01-2013, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by J-bo09

Kipper is not the type.

He has been the best player for years when no one else showed up.

We don't know his personal situation, but maybe he is distracted this year with his new born.

Saying he quit on this team is poor form.

Did you watch the Columbus game? I did, and Kipper's quit. Get over it. Iggy got traded, so lets clean house!

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kirant · 04-01-2013, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Disagree - he's not moving around like he used to. He's unable to get out to cut down angles as swiftly as he once did - his overall agility and quickness have taken a hit.
As one should expect given his age.

Agreed.

One of Kiprusoff's biggest weaknesses is his sharp angles. He's never been perfect at standing at the right angle to stop the shot. Kiprusoff of years past used to be able to make up for it by being fast and knowing where the puck was no matter how hectic the game got. In short, he made up for angles with reflexes.

Older Kiprusoff isn't as fast and can't make up for that anymore.

kyuss275 · 04-01-2013, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Gunkle

I could see the 'mystery' team, other than TO, being the Pens.
I don't think Fleury is healthy enough for a deep run.

I don't see him accepting a trade where there is a posibility he is on the bench for the playoffs.

JiriHrdina · 04-01-2013, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kirant

Agreed.

One of Kiprusoff's biggest weaknesses is his sharp angles. He's never been perfect at standing at the right angle to stop the shot. Kiprusoff of years past used to be able to make up for it by being fast and knowing where the puck was no matter how hectic the game got. In short, he made up for angles with reflexes.

Older Kiprusoff isn't as fast and can't make up for that anymore.

That's how I see it too. Most of the goals that I consider weak ones this year it seems like he's been back farther in his net than he typically would be - and does have the reaction speed he used to - to overcome a bad angle in net.

Ozy_Flame · 04-01-2013, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by kyuss275

I don't see him accepting a trade where there is a posibility he is on the bench for the playoffs.

I don't see that happening with T.O. I would venture to say he'd be used in a 1A / 1B situation, riding a young goaltender's hot streak versus a veteran's experience in the playoffs.

Kipper would undoubtedly be demanding ice time from any team he gets traded to.