[News] Friedman: Feaster/Flames are not going to blow it up

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Didn't Feaster draft a bunch of players for the lightning too? I mean it was a no brainer, but he did draft Stamkos

Stamkos was consensus #1 and ownership started a "Seen Stamkos" campaign months before the draft. I'm willing to bet Feaster didn't even have much say in that.

Other than Stamkos, his drafting is a trainwreck.

[Poe969]

The president makes some major decisions. Iggy is making the team money just by being on the team but the team itself is doing bad so is he alone worth the playoffs?

As for what King has done financially, there is no doubt that he's made money and that's why I think he should stay a part of the big picture but nothing really to do with the Calgary Flames. Let him make money for the owners and let the Flames do what they need to do to win at hockey

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Didn't Feaster draft a bunch of players for the lightning too? I mean it was a no brainer, but he did draft Stamkos

I was including his stint in Tampa. The only 2 names were Stamkos and Blair Jones.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Didn't Feaster draft a bunch of players for the lightning too? I mean it was a no brainer, but he did draft Stamkos

It's pretty ugly, but here are the notables who got slightly more than a cup of coffee.

Ryan Craig (out of NHL)
Paul Ranger (out of NHL)
Fredrick Norrena (out of NHL)
Nick Tarnasky (out of NHL)
Matt Smaby (out of NHL)
Mike Lundin
Dana Tyrell (out of NHL)

Blair Jones, Ramo and Stamkos are the others.

Lundin is the only guy who is in the NHL right now aside from Stamkos and he isn't hanging on by much.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

What is the problem with Ken King? His job is to make sure the Flames turn a profit and he has done a good job of that. He is the guy that make the bids for World Junior Championships, Heritage Classics, Briars and Grey Cups etc. and since he took charge, Calgary has had more than their fair share of extra events. The way the Flames have been run since Ken King came aboard is a 180 from the way Ron Bremner ran the team.

This team needs a GM. Not a president. (or at least a president who can hire the right GM) All in all, Ken King has done a great job and he should be the guy who takes us into the new building. If he wants to.

No problem at all with Ken King if he was strictly in a business role. He's been a great asset to the team in a business role and that cannot be denied even by his biggest critics. However he's not qualified to be making hockey decisions and it sounds like he is highly involved in decision making in hockey operations. I know I've said this before but I will say it again; there is a reason the Flames are considered a laughing stock around the NHL and a reason they are up at the salary cap and 15th place in the conference. This is what happens when unqualified men are running a hockey team.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

What is the problem with Ken King? His job is to make sure the Flames turn a profit and he has done a good job of that. He is the guy that make the bids for World Junior Championships, Heritage Classics, Briars and Grey Cups etc. and since he took charge, Calgary has had more than their fair share of extra events. The way the Flames have been run since Ken King came aboard is a 180 from the way Ron Bremner ran the team.

Tell Ken King that. There's been so much smoke about him being fairly hands on with the hockey front office duties (Bob McKenzie acknowledging it) that it's pretty much true that he's handling other duties that's beyond his scope.

He doesn't need to be removed from Flames completely. Just put him in position where he only handles the business aspect of the club/teams owned by ownership.

[Poe969]

Again, for the record; I don't like Jay Feaster as a GM. I know he drafted Stamkos and that's about it but he did draft Stamkos. If we're going to blame him for things he's done we have to give him credit for things he's done as well.

I think the Flames would be a better team if Feaster wasn't the GM and would cheer if almost anyone was the GM instead of him at this point.

Thank you.

[ricosuave]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

It's pretty ugly, but here are the notables who got slightly more than a cup of coffee.

Ryan Craig (out of NHL)
Paul Ranger (out of NHL)
Fredrick Norrena (out of NHL)
Nick Tarnasky (out of NHL)
Matt Smaby (out of NHL)
Mike Lundin
Dana Tyrell (out of NHL)

Blair Jones, Ramo and Stamkos are the others.

Lundin is the only guy who is in the NHL right now aside from Stamkos and he isn't hanging on by much.

I'm not sure Ranger falls into that category... he had personal issues didnt he?

[liamenator]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

If this is true and he was hired in the next week, I could see him being interm GM for the rest of the season. I would love for Burke to be handling the trades if the flames are sellers. He could hire "his guy" as gm, in the summer.

Yeah, that seems a logical progression.

I think, though, my preference would be for him to hire 'his guy' as soon as possible, so the rest of the season could be devoted to 'that' guy's learning the intricacies of the organization, assessing our prospect pool and asset base, evaluating players under contract, etc., while Burke handles the immediate demands of the trade deadline. That way we get to draft day with a table full of people who've been working in the organization for longer than a few weeks.

But I put the odds of this rumour being true at less than 5%, so this probably won't amount to much more than wild speculation & fantasy.

[nik-]

Ken King is responsible for the Canadian dollar and a freak playoff run.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by ricosuave

I'm not sure Ranger falls into that category... he had personal issues didnt he?

So did Dan Ryder, does he count as a success?

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by ricosuave

I'm not sure Ranger falls into that category... he had personal issues didnt he?

I wasn't trying to categorize them, I was just posting all of them.

Ranger did seem somewhat promising, but the fact remains he hasn't played in the NHL in 3 years and is currently on the AHL team of the Leafs - out of the NHL.

As of right now, Lundin is the only guy holding down an NHL job (besides Stamkos). By a hair.

Forgot about James Wright. But similar narrative to the others.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

So did Dan Ryder, does he count as a success?

Ranger was an established quality NHLer

[ricosuave]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

So did Dan Ryder, does he count as a success?

But Ranger was a success and chose to leave the game on his own accord.

[Flame Of Liberty]

This just in for the people worried about the scorched earth (post Iginla/Kipper trade).

Currently (with 2 games in hand but still) dead last in the conference

http://www.nhl.com/ice/standings.htm...d=nav-stn-conf

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

I was including his stint in Tampa. The only 2 names were Stamkos and Blair Jones.

Does this really matter though? I never really liked the idea of Feaster as GM making these decisions when he took over for Sutter but at this time wouldn't it be Weisbrod making the decisions as to who to draft? Perhaps I missed something but I thought these kinds of hockey decisions are specifically why Weisbrod was brought on.

Wouldn't that make it more important to judge Weisbrod's draft history and not Feaster's?

It seems a bit silly to lynch Feaster for something that isn't even his responsibility...

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Flame Of Liberty

This just in for the people worried about the scorched earth (post Iginla/Kipper trade).

Currently (with 2 games in hand but still) dead last in the conference

http://www.nhl.com/ice/standings.htm...d=nav-stn-conf

This board needs more condescending posts, thank you.

[Poe969]

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[moon]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

What is the problem with Ken King? His job is to make sure the Flames turn a profit and he has done a good job of that. He is the guy that make the bids for World Junior Championships, Heritage Classics, Briars and Grey Cups etc. and since he took charge, Calgary has had more than their fair share of extra events. The way the Flames have been run since Ken King came aboard is a 180 from the way Ron Bremner ran the team.

This team needs a GM. Not a president. (or at least a president who can hire the right GM) All in all, Ken King has done a great job and he should be the guy who takes us into the new building. If he wants to.

I think the problem is that a lot of people believe (and a lot of signs point to) that King is doing more than handling the business operations.

I would say ideally that King moves up to President of the Calgary Flames Sports group and handles all the big items for the 5 teams the Flames ownership owns and a hockey guy is brought in as President.

Hopefully this gets King far enough away/brings in a strong enough candidate that they can tell him to stay away from hockey decisions but still allows King to handle the arena issues/TV and radio deals etc.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Does this really matter though? I never really liked the idea of Feaster as GM making these decisions when he took over for Sutter but at this time wouldn't it be Weisbrod making the decisions as to who to draft? Perhaps I missed something but I thought these kinds of hockey decisions are specifically why Weisbrod was brought on.

Wouldn't that make it more important to judge Weisbrod's draft history and not Feaster's?

It seems a bit silly to lynch Feaster for something that isn't even his responsibility...

Probably not... just if someone wants to bring up drafting, there you go.

Honestly I think a GM has nothing to do with drafting, its all the scouts that do the dirty work. I highly doubt Feaster has watched any more CHL/NCAA then most of us.