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FBI · 01-31-2013, 10:18 PM

At least Butler will be back in the pressbox! Flames 1-0 with Butler out!

Stay Golden · 01-31-2013, 10:19 PM

Flames had 5 days off. Av's got into Calgary at 2:30 this morning.
Pathetic performance by our 1st line.
They have no excuses.

bugsy · 01-31-2013, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbsy

So I just watched the game on pvr, and was going to complain that we need a better than avg keeper (kipper u suck this season), butler is an embarrassment get off this team u also suck in general, nd cammaleri needs to wake up.

Then I realized this avs team got b*tch slapped by the nucks and oilers and were on th second of aback to back. The flames are toast in th NHL by mistake.

I almost wish we had a lockout for a guaranteed decent draft spot.. Keep it up Hartley and group keep playing butler and maybes can play urself to a lottery spot.

I want to find something to commiserate with here, but.... what?

PloKoon · 01-31-2013, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Scooter

When he gets traded to a team with some leadership! ie Pittsburgh!

send him to the sharks and have him on the second line. With less offensive responsibilities he can do well on a team like that. He'll be a leader where ever he goes but to expect him to do it all still in Calgary is foolish at this point.

vanisleflamesfan · 01-31-2013, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

Because Hudler is just washed up and useless, eh.

Well one good game doesn't make him the second coming of Mario Lemieux... The guy's career high is 57 points! Do we dare hope he will continue to make such a huge, team changing, impact to the Flames?

Phanuthier · 01-31-2013, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Didn't we learn with Keenan running that same system that it doesn't work for this group? Brent gets a lot of flack but he knew the only way this team can win games is to play tight defensively. The issue was that he just couldn't get all the forwards to buy in. Some fans seem to think this type of hockey is more exciting but watching Kipper pick pucks out of the net in losing high scoring hockey games is a byproduct.

Yeah, thats kind of how I saw the 2011-12 season going down. Defense isn't as exciting, but its the best option for a team like the Flames to pursue. Except for a few obvious Brent mistakes, but team defense is the way to go. Even Detriot plays a strong defensive system...

Scooter · 01-31-2013, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by nik-

They really did play well enough from the goal out to win tonight, which is what makes it so frustrating.

Yeah, you gotta love this run and gun style of entertaining hockey. Hope Sat. it's Leland time!

alcatrazhockey · 01-31-2013, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Flame$4Ever

Time jerome moves on...all these old bums is playing for now is a paycheck...they don't care about the game anymore. Kipper is not what he used to be...they don't care if they win or lose anymore,,they get paid either way. I'm done with the lazy play this team shows night in and night out...overpaid bums...

Speaking of old bums, Tanguay is signed through the 2016 season, pretty sure he should be in a care home by then.

stang · 01-31-2013, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Chad_Flames

Look buddy I don't know if you have relatives that work for TSN or whatever and I don't care. You can parrot their talking points all you want. It's clear as day what the facts show and that's a bias against the Flames by TSN.

Let me break this down one more time.

1. TSN predicts that we will do terribly.
2. Next year we make some moves that should improve our rank.
3. TSN ranks us even worse.

Notice a problem between step 2 and 3? Yeah, thought so. They should predict us higher. At that point it doesn't even matter where we finish. Right from there you can see the bias against the Flames. Even when we theoretically improve.

That kind of stuff affects Vegas odds which you seem to hold so precious. Understand?

Why are you even bitching about TSN? They are just guesses, that's why they play the games. Guess what? Where TSN ranks you has NO (zilch, nada, none) bearing on what can actually happen.

I find it really strange that you're freaking out on TSN...

Erick Estrada · 01-31-2013, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

Who's dumping on the pissed off crowd? I'm just defending some of the folk who like me tend to stay positive. The people who like the team, have ups and downs, but don't get too high after a win and not too low after a loss. Sounds like tired cliches, but they're absolutely true.

Loubardias was saying this afternoon that tonights game was massive for this team and he's a positive guy. I'm pretty sure he will be talking tomorrow about this loss as devastating as it really is. There is simply no way you can sugarcoat this game. It was truly horrible and Hartley now probably realizes like the last three coaches that this Flames head coaching job is much more of an undertaking than it looks from the outside. This team has major, major issues that aren't going to be fixed until the roster gets a overhaul that includes number 12 leaving and a new player assuming the role of captain.

kehatch · 01-31-2013, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

Okay, so let me ask this. What's worse?

a) The team gets blown out, gets no chances on net, makes terrible passes, and gets walked around routinely...

or

b) The team gets a ton of chances, makes good crisp passes, plays decent defensively, and controls the majority of the game, but still loses.

I'll take the latter, which is what happened tonight IMO.

The Flames need to have a higher standard then being somewhat competitive against a bad team playing their 3-game in 4-nights. This should have been a dominant game for the Flames and it wasn't. I wouldn't have been particularly thrilled even if we won this game 5-4. It wasn't good enough. The silver lining is made of tin foil and is really just another excuse on an never ending stream of them.

If this was one game then I would get the argument. But it isn't just one game.

djsFlames · 01-31-2013, 10:22 PM

Fact is this team actually has a very good team on paper. In theory, they should be far, far away from a last place team. And that's what seems appalling about those predictions.

Just none of our top players decided to come prepared into this 'unexpected' season, and have stunk it up early (with the odd exception of Jbo). However, that does not necessarily guarantee that that will be the case over the next 40+ games.

Basically, if Cammy and Iginla were putting up points at their normal pace and Kiprusoff was putting up his usual numbers, we wouldn't be in this boat at all.

Erick Estrada · 01-31-2013, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Yeah, thats kind of how I saw the 2011-12 season going down. Defense isn't as exciting, but its the best option for a team like the Flames to pursue. Except for a few obvious Brent mistakes, but team defense is the way to go. Even Detriot plays a strong defensive system...

I know I'm in the minority but I will take boring defensive hockey that produces wins over this crap all the time.

Dion · 01-31-2013, 10:24 PM

Ashasx · 01-31-2013, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I know I'm in the minority but I will take boring defensive hockey that produces wins over this crap all the time.

It's not like it was getting us wins anyway.

bubbsy · 01-31-2013, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bugsy

I want to find something to commiserate with here, but.... what?

Errrr ya second paragraph made no sense. I blame stupid iPad autocorrect.

My point was, yes kipper, butler, cammaleri sucked but at the end of the day u look at the avs schedule (and injuries for that matter) and it is very indicative of the quality of this roster that flames are last place in the league or close to it.

Pretty embarrassing nite for the roster after all that rest and practice.

Flame On · 01-31-2013, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I know I'm in the minority but I will take boring defensive hockey that produces wins over this crap all the time.

But you have to have buy in too.

Savvy27 · 01-31-2013, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Didn't we learn with Keenan running that same system that it doesn't work for this group? Brent gets a lot of flack but he knew the only way this team can win games is to play tight defensively. The issue was that he just couldn't get all the forwards to buy in. Some fans seem to think this type of hockey is more exciting but watching Kipper pick pucks out of the net in losing high scoring hockey games is a byproduct.

Keenan made the playoffs twice and Sutter missed three times. I don't understand your point.

troutman · 01-31-2013, 10:26 PM

I swear every mistake this team makes ends up in the net, and they need 4 or 5 good scoring chances for every goal they get.

They are getting way more chances to score than they ever did under the Sutters, but the will to win is not strong enough.

And the Dive-alanche were up to their usual tricks, dropping on the lightest contacts.

Sainters7 · 01-31-2013, 10:27 PM

Late to the party, just finished on PVR. That one stings. I wish this was like EA NHL where you could take off line changes and just ride Hudler/Cervenka all game.

Whole first line sucked, especially Glencross. He was giving out turnovers like a bakery.

Kipper with a bad night, 3rd goal was downy soft. Play like that against Chicago and it'll be ugly

I suggest Butler try another sport. Like knitting.

Did I mention Hudler/Cervenka?