I love the Barclay's centre design, and I'm a big fan of the wood strips. Wood strips on the rafters inside would undoubtedly look great as well, a la how they did it at WinSport and the awesome wooden rafters of Valliant arena in Davos, but it would more than likely not work for concert configurations and such, so as much as I love the wooden rafters, that's a pipe dream for me.
An arena based on a wood and rock (i.e. a Rocky Mountain design) could work. Might not work on a grand scale, but using the same kind of material look as Elevation Place in Canmore (it's really the only thing I could find)
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Not Western but still incorporates the region's landscape. Would definitely be a unique arena. Would have glass (#### yeah!) and you could incorporate wooden rafters somehow and not really mess up the ceiling configuration in any way. I like that look too, but figure that 'Stampitecture' is an inevitability so just try to think up the best possible scenarios for that.
As for the funding possibilities, a new arena would undoubtedly match the ACC and Bell Centre for suites. So you're looking at ~130 stuffed into the place of varying size and function. That would work out to $20M+ a year (using some very conservative numbers) from suite leases alone. Using some other numbers I've seen for FLames suites they'd easily go to $40M+. Throw in the 'maximized revenue generation' that a new arena brings and the Flames would definitely join the Canucks in the $1.7/$1.8M per game range and the team is going to do pretty well for itself.
I'm fine with the city offering property tax breaks and other non-direct subsidies to make the project easier, but I don't see why an ownership group that includes two billionaires would need taxpayer money to build an arena that will be able to milk the corporate base we have for all they're worth.
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I think it's important to de-couple the city's day-to-day decisions around architecture, planning, cultural activity from Stampede. Stampede is a festival - one that's themed Western. But that has very little to do with the day-to-day reality of Calgary as a modern city. Sure, we should western the hell out of ourselves during those two weeks, promote people to come to the city to experience that unique vibe - during stampede. But we shouldn't pretend that's what we are the rest of the year. If people are coming in May to Calgary to experience cowboy culture, they're going to be pretty disappointed - unless you can somehow make Stampede Park a true year round tourist attraction. You don't see Quebec City building their city as if Bonhomme was of cultural relevance year round.
Otherwise our architecture is going to all start looking like this:
Yes. Have the flames contacted you about designing the arena yet?
Sweet. They have not contacted me yet but I do have some innovative design ideas I can put together. The cost of giant, motorized, tipping cowboy hats has come down drastically in the past few months.
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The PostFinance arena in Bern holds 17,000. I think a building with glulams would look good. Not sure if it would work for concerts with their rigging needs though.
The PostFinance arena in Bern holds 17,000. I think a building with glulams would look good. Not sure if it would work for concerts with their rigging needs though.
That's beautiful. The sunlight has to be hell for the ice, but what a lovely structure.
I gotta say, reading all the posts from today in one shot was was like being on a bad trip. Everything kept repeating, and I had to keep checking to make sure I hadn't hit "page back" instead of "next page".
"In case people didn't know, the Saddledome wasn't meant to represent a saddle"
"The new arena shouldn't be a throwback to western heritage"
"The arena will have less seats and more boxes"
"Most people don't know that the Dome wasn't designed to look like a saddle, people named it that after construction"
"God, if this city keeps going with Stampitecture"
"I've heard it will hold about 18000, so less than the Dome, but will feature more boxes to maximize revenue"
"Here's an article on how the original architect didn't have a Saddle in mind at all when he designed it"
"I'll take anything as long as it isn't some kind of throwback to our heritage"
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As has been said the Saddle Dome wasn't built with a western motive in mind. Someone just saw the connection and chose a great name which is easily identified across Canada. It will be a shame when it's gone but I don't think we should try to emulate the old Dome, just make a sound design and we'll see what kind of character it grows.
Not to pick on you, but when you start a sentence with "As has been said", just keep in mind that people have read those posts, they didn't disappear.
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As has been said the Saddle Dome wasn't built with a western motive in mind. Someone just saw the connection and chose a great name which is easily identified across Canada. It will be a shame when it's gone but I don't think we should try to emulate the old Dome, just make a sound design and we'll see what kind of character it grows.
" Coincidentally, the ingenious design resembles a saddle, perfect for the home of the Stampede. The Saddledome remains the world record holder for the longest spanning hyperbolic paraboloid concrete shell and is an 1980‘s icon that will never go out of style. "
I think it goes without saying that the sight lines will be much improved.
Pretty easy to do these days.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Flames did it without public money. If they do a big development, maybe the city is involved(obviously)....but I don't they get public money from the province.
I think we need to veer away from any western themes, and fully embrace a scheme thay highlights modern and timeless design consistent with the way major sports developments around the world are heading. This is a world class city now, and we need to start moving away from cheesy cliches.
On a related note, look up the proposed sports city development in Tunisia. That project is INSANE.
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I think we need to veer away from any western themes, and fully embrace a scheme thay highlights modern and timeless design consistent with the way major sports developments around the world are heading. This is a world class city now, and we need to start moving away from cheesy cliches.
On a related note, look up the proposed sports city development in Tunisia. That project is INSANE.
Just wanted to say, my experience has been opposite of Fotze's; it has amazed me how in odd parts if the world people knew about the stampede. And in fact people in Africa and he Middle East that didn't know who hosted a Winter Olympics, but were aware of the Stampede.
Living here it is really just a very successful local fair, but it is surprisingly famous.
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I don't think it's a given that the arena has more suites. I believe I heard somewhere that Edmonton in fact has less suites in their new arena (going down from 66 to 50) but will have "loge seating" which is kind of between club seats and suites. Table seating in the bowl and that sort of thing.
I am far more concerned about the inside of the building that the outside.
As a taxpayer, assuming taxpayer funding is part of the project, I have no interest in paying for an architectural marvel. If I'm bucking up for the building, I'm happy with a plain exterior, with the majority of the money spent on the 'experience' inside the building.
If the Flames are footing the bill, then by all means, let's build the most technologically advanced, avant-garde design a world famous architect can dream up.
This is pretty much the opposite of my view. If it's privately funded, then by all means you can have a chewing tabacco tin like Rexall. If the taxpayer is paying for it, then it needs to do something even for the people who won't be using it.
Architecture adds to the public wealth of the city. Whereas private developers have a duty to be cost effecient (at least if they're publically traded), the government can and should go further.
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As has been said the Saddle Dome wasn't built with a western motive in mind. Someone just saw the connection and chose a great name which is easily identified across Canada. It will be a shame when it's gone but I don't think we should try to emulate the old Dome, just make a sound design and we'll see what kind of character it grows.
When the design was unveiled, the roof was immediately referred to as being saddle-shaped. Of 1,270 entries submitted in a contest to name the arena, 735 involved the word Saddle. The winning name in the contest, Olympic Saddledome, was drawn from a hat filled with several similar saddle-themed names... IIRC the winner got seasons tickets from the Flames.
Just wanted to say, my experience has been opposite of Fotze's; it has amazed me how in odd parts if the world people knew about the stampede. And in fact people in Africa and he Middle East that didn't know who hosted a Winter Olympics, but were aware of the Stampede.
Living here it is really just a very successful local fair, but it is surprisingly famous.
A few years ago I met a couple of oil guys from Mexico up here on a course, they started talking about the famous stampede that they heard about and asked me if they used Bulls or Buffalo to run down the city streets.
When I told them it was a rodeo and 10 days of partying they seemed disappointed.
I don't think it's a given that the arena has more suites. I believe I heard somewhere that Edmonton in fact has less suites in their new arena (going down from 66 to 50) but will have "loge seating" which is kind of between club seats and suites. Table seating in the bowl and that sort of thing.
I do.
Calgary and Edmonton have very, VERY different demographics. There's so many head offices in Calgary that put a large premium on entertainment that you can justify way more suites.
