NRA calls for armed police officers in all U.S. schools

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Yes, of course, it's just that lately it has mostly been a republican thing. If Dems were doing it to the same levels, we'd both be making comments berating them as well.

Oh so you dont mind that they lie... its all cool because they lie the least?

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by nickerjones

Oh so you dont mind that they lie... its all cool because they lie the least?

No, I don't like when either side lie and bs, it's just that the democrats bs is about standard for them recently, but the republicans seem to have lost their mind the past year and a half.

Seems like whopper after whopper from the right lately, while there hasn't been anything huge recently other than the Benghazi and that's mostly just murky waters versus blatant lying.

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

No, I don't like when either side lie and bs, it's just that the democrats bs is about standard for them recently, but the republicans seem to have lost their mind the past year and a half.

Seems like whopper after whopper from the right lately, while there hasn't been anything huge recently other than the Benghazi and that's mostly just murky waters versus blatant lying.

The Republicans have lost their minds long before the past year and a half.... and Im a republican ( well Im very conservative) . I just didnt like the generalization that was you made. It seems like you guys have placed all gun owners as Republicans and then placed all the blame on them.

I told myself I wasnt going to come back in here after the other day. Our ideals , views , and the ways we were raised are totally different so our arguing doesnt really mean anything to the other person bc we dont understand where each other is coming from. I probably should have just not said anything today.

[GirlySports]

If any positive can come out out of these tragedies and seemingly bizarre statements by the NRA, maybe people will finally realize that the NRA doesn't represent the rights of gun owners or defend the 2nd Amendment, but they are trade association with the purpose of promoting sales for manufacturing industry. The NRA may have started off representing gun owners, but that isn't the case now.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by nickerjones

Oh so you dont mind that they lie... its all cool because they lie the least?

Put it this way.


There are anti-semites in Canada and Iran. Should we then say they are equal and cannot disapprove of the systematic antisemitism of the country?

False equivalencies are false

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by nickerjones

The Republicans have lost their minds long before the past year and a half.... and Im a republican ( well Im very conservative) . I just didnt like the generalization that was you made. It seems like you guys have placed all gun owners as Republicans and then placed all the blame on them.

I told myself I wasnt going to come back in here after the other day. Our ideals , views , and the ways we were raised are totally different so our arguing doesnt really mean anything to the other person bc we dont understand where each other is coming from. I probably should have just not said anything today.

It's true I'm not in favour of guns period, but that's fine here in Canada where we don't really have a gun culture (rifles etc for rural areas is different)

However, with guns being baked in the pie in the states, it's not really possible to take away guns any time soon. It'd probably take 100 years or more to fully get things there into a similar position as it is here. That being said, I'm hoping for reductions on the amount of bullets that is possible to be fired by an experienced person in 1 minute. Say that you can only get off 25-30 rounds in 1 minute, verses a lot more with what it is now.

For example you can reduce the clip size from 30 or 100 down to ten and make it so that it takes an extra step or two to switch clips that just eats time, but doesn't otherwise impede the ability of the gun. Basically anything that can reduce the amount of damage one can do if they decide to go crazy like what happened several times this year.

I'd also be in favour of getting rid of guns that look like machine guns like an AK-47 or the Bush master etc. entirely from the public sphere but allow target ranges to have them so if you want to fire a machine gun, then you have the ability to do so in a controlled environment.

Also get rid of armour piercing rounds because they really do serve no purpose other than to kill people.

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

It's true I'm not in favour of guns period, but that's fine here in Canada where we don't really have a gun culture (rifles etc for rural areas is different)

However, with guns being baked in the pie in the states, it's not really possible to take away guns any time soon. It'd probably take 100 years or more to fully get things there into a similar position as it is here. That being said, I'm hoping for reductions on the amount of bullets that is possible to be fired by an experienced person in 1 minute. Say that you can only get off 25-30 rounds in 1 minute, verses a lot more with what it is now.

For example you can reduce the clip size from 30 or 100 down to ten and make it so that it takes an extra step or two to switch clips that just eats time, but doesn't otherwise impede the ability of the gun. Basically anything that can reduce the amount of damage one can do if they decide to go crazy like what happened several times this year.

I'd also be in favour of getting rid of guns that look like machine guns like an AK-47 or the Bush master etc. entirely from the public sphere but allow target ranges to have them so if you want to fire a machine gun, then you have the ability to do so in a controlled environment.

Also get rid of armour piercing rounds because they really do serve no purpose other than to kill people.

First off let me say that I have an Ar-15 , it isn't fully automatic . It only holds 20 bullets or so ... ( I think average on them is 30 but the clip/mag that I have is only 20). I am pretty sure there are 5 round clips as well.... I wouldnt argue to keep that. If that's a gun I can't have so be it. I have it because well ... it's fun to shoot. Target shooting , Turtle shooting... you know what country folk shoot at.

I am in agreement that fully auto weapons don't have a place in civilian's hands. I have shot a few fully automatic weapons in my life. They are pretty hardcore. However, after the first few shots . I couldn't hit the broadside of a barn with it so they are pointless to have...

I dont have a gun or know many people that have guns here that have clips in the 30-100 range. I just dont see it often. The aforementioned Uzi did I suppose but there is only one person I know with anything like that. The handguns that my friends and I use have 10 bullet clips in them.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by nickerjones

First off let me say that I have an Ar-15 , it isn't fully automatic . It only holds 20 bullets or so ... ( I think average on them is 30 but the clip/mag that I have is only 20). I am pretty sure there are 5 round clips as well.... I wouldnt argue to keep that. If that's a gun I can't have so be it. I have it because well ... it's fun to shoot. Target shooting , Turtle shooting... you know what country folk shoot at.

I am in agreement that fully auto weapons don't have a place in civilian's hands. I have shot a few fully automatic weapons in my life. They are pretty hardcore. However, after the first few shots . I couldn't hit the broadside of a barn with it so they are pointless to have...

Your second para supports tighter control of the weapon(s) mentioned in your first para. A semi-auto weapon is just as dangerous if not more dangerous that a full auto weapon. You can put more rounds on a target in semi-auto than full-auto. In the militray I shot a lot, and lots of different weapons. I can count on one hand the number of times I have shot full auto. It is really no a very useful/effective use of the weapon. Although, I don't know this as a fact, I would suggest that the shooters in the situations also use semi-auto.

I really can't see a reason for the public to have access to these weapons.

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Your second para supports tighter control of the weapon(s) mentioned in your first para. A semi-auto weapon is just as dangerous if not more dangerous that a full auto weapon. You can put more rounds on a target in semi-auto than full-auto. In the militray I shot a lot, and lots of different weapons. I can count on one hand the number of times I have shot full auto. It is really no a very useful/effective use of the weapon. Although, I don't know this as a fact, I would suggest that the shooters in the situations also use semi-auto.

I really can't see a reason for the public to have access to these weapons.

see last 2 sentences of first para.

I like the gun, I enjoy shooting the gun, I am responsible with the gun, I know right from wrong so I have no problems personally owning a gun like an Ar15. If I was told I couldn't own one I wouldnt be pissed about it. It's not something I need to have. It's a luxury for me. If getting rid of those type of guns would end the gun tragedies, I'd turn mine in tomorrow ( or when I got home from Calgary ) , but it wont.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by nickerjones

see last 2 sentences of first para.

I like the gun, I enjoy shooting the gun, I am responsible with the gun, I know right from wrong so I have no problems personally owning a gun like an Ar15. If I was told I couldn't own one I wouldnt be pissed about it. It's not something I need to have. It's a luxury for me. If getting rid of those type of guns would end the gun tragedies, I'd turn mine in tomorrow ( or when I got home from Calgary ) , but it wont.

But isn't it worth trying.....? The reward is so great, how can trying this be a bad thing?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by nickerjones

First off let me say that I have an Ar-15 , it isn't fully automatic . It only holds 20 bullets or so ... ( I think average on them is 30 but the clip/mag that I have is only 20). I am pretty sure there are 5 round clips as well.... I wouldnt argue to keep that. If that's a gun I can't have so be it. I have it because well ... it's fun to shoot. Target shooting , Turtle shooting... you know what country folk shoot at.

I am in agreement that fully auto weapons don't have a place in civilian's hands. I have shot a few fully automatic weapons in my life. They are pretty hardcore. However, after the first few shots . I couldn't hit the broadside of a barn with it so they are pointless to have...

I dont have a gun or know many people that have guns here that have clips in the 30-100 range. I just dont see it often. The aforementioned Uzi did I suppose but there is only one person I know with anything like that. The handguns that my friends and I use have 10 bullet clips in them.

My take on the psychology of guns is they are similer to the psychology of dogs, there is nothing fundamentally different about a Pitt Bull or a Rotty from any other type of dog, there is unfortunatly a type of moronic dog owner who is drawn to these breeds who shouldn't be allowed near a poodle.

Guns are the same, if all gun owners looked like my father in law with his fleece hat and jacket and bolt action .303 for deer hunting we wouldn't have much of a problem, but the wack jobs are drawn to glocks and semi auto civilian re makes of military kit because they are insecure wankers who need to see themselves as Rambo to make up for the fact that in reality they are fairly ordinary.

For most of these nuts it is about their image more than the killings themselves.

One thing the US should learn, and conservative gun owners are essential to push this point, is that large numbers of the population are not fit to have guns, that gun ownership, while possibly a right is something that should be somewhat difficult, there should be hoops and limitations so people take guns seriouslu down there, that is the essentail difference between Canada and the US.

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

But isn't it worth trying.....? The reward is so great, how can trying this be a bad thing?

Sure ... looks like I'm moving to Calgary so I wont have any guns anyway.

however, did you see how many idiots wanted to secede from the Union just because Obama was elected for a 2nd term? I think even trying would be 10x's worse.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by nickerjones

Sure ... looks like I'm moving to Calgary so I wont have any guns anyway.

however, did you see how many idiots wanted to secede from the Union just because Obama was elected for a 2nd term? I think even trying would be 10x's worse.

Congrats on your successful application for asylum.


I hope the silent majority finds its voice......

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

One thing the US should learn, and conservative gun owners are essential to push this point, is that large numbers of the population are not fit to have guns, that gun ownership, while possibly a right is something that should be somewhat difficult, there should be hoops and limitations so people take guns seriouslu down there, that is the essentail difference between Canada and the US.

I would argue that where Im from the number of people who take guns seriously far outweigh the people who don't.

If I had some time or if anyone knows where we could find this info I would be interested to see where these guns tragedies have taken place. The last two have been in the Northern United States, Columbine is in Colorado ( considered a "Yank" state by us Southerners).

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by nickerjones

I would argue that where Im from the number of people who take guns seriously far outweigh the people who don't.

If I had some time or if anyone knows where we could find this info I would be interested to see where these guns tragedies have taken place. The last two have been in the Northern United States, Columbine is in Colorado ( considered a "Yank" state by us Southerners).

posted earlier

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I thought this might be needed here. There's a interactive map on the link I've posted that will give all the information on mass shootings in the States, if you hover over the dots you will see the details including weapons used and if they were obtained legally

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...-shootings-map

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Congrats on your successful application for asylum.


I hope the silent majority finds its voice......

Yay for the joke. I love Oklahoma. I love the United States. The sole reason I am moving is because my wife wants to. Her reasons for wanting to move are pretty indefensible bc me arguing them would make me a hypocrite.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by nickerjones

First off let me say that I have an Ar-15 , it isn't fully automatic . It only holds 20 bullets or so ... ( I think average on them is 30 but the clip/mag that I have is only 20). I am pretty sure there are 5 round clips as well.... I wouldnt argue to keep that. If that's a gun I can't have so be it. I have it because well ... it's fun to shoot. Target shooting , Turtle shooting... you know what country folk shoot at.

.

You shoot turtles?

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

You shoot turtles?

As I was a little kid yes I did at a pond on family land. We lived in the country , its what people did .

[puckluck2]

Shooting turtles is just wrong. I felt bad when I caught some by their mouth while fishing. I couldn't imagine purposely shooting turtles for fun.

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by Iginla

Shooting turtles is just wrong. I felt bad when I caught some by their mouth while fishing. I couldn't imagine purposely shooting turtles for fun.

Once again.. a different mindset. What would you think if I told you we also shot coyotes for fun as well? Of course us killing coyotes meant the dead coyote wouldnt be able to mess with the animals such as calves, chickens , etc...