North Carolina passes same-sex marriage ban

[Coach]

My question to Mikey, and about all of this really is who the f*** cares? Why does it matter to you whether or not a gay guy has 1000 sexual partners? How does it change your life if a gay person cheats on their spouse? They say it allows them to explore different relationships than heterosexuals are used to/can understand. They can have orgies of 10 guys if they want, as long as everyone is a willing participant. No ones asking you to watch, or join, or even give an opinion on it.

The point behind all of this is why should it matter? Allowing gays to marry each other literally effects no one but themselves and their family/friends. Since its clear most of these bigots will not have any homosexual friends, it's really none of their concern. Go about your day, I'm sure nothing has changed.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

You're right, ....I am adamant that changing the definition of marriage to suit about 2.5% of the population to be silly. Of that 2.5% (rough homosexual population), about 5% of them actually get married.

The amount of attention the issue gets is so out of proportion it amazes me.

It's ironic that people will defend homosexual marriage/rights and in the same breath use homosexuality as an insult toward me....lol

It's not an insult, its just my psychoanalysis of your posts, going with studies and trends I've noticed. And as has been pointed out, it is 2.5%, so why do you even care? I'm sure there are many things 2.5% of the population do that no one gives a crap about either that are legal.

And going on to attack feminism? Well at least you got your right wing talking points down pat, I'll give you that. Sorry the world is changing to everything you hate, but most people are happy we're getting to this point.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by MattyC

My question to Mikey, and about all of this really is who the f*** cares? Why does it matter to you whether or not a gay guy has 1000 sexual partners? How does it change your life if a gay person cheats on their spouse? They say it allows them to explore different relationships than heterosexuals are used to/can understand. They can have orgies of 10 guys if they want, as long as everyone is a willing participant. No ones asking you to watch, or join, or even give an opinion on it.

The point behind all of this is why should it matter? Allowing gays to marry each other literally effects no one but themselves and their family/friends. Since its clear most of these bigots will not have any homosexual friends, it's really none of their concern. Go about your day, I'm sure nothing has changed.

This is the problem, though. As mentioned earlier in the thread, the Christians/Radical Right believe that by fighting this, they are fighting to protect society, whether it wants it or not. They know what's best, and the rest of us are just misguided, but they, in their infinite compassion, will help and guide us to see the light.

Sounds crazy? Maybe, but they claim the invisible man in the sky told them so...

[Coach]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

This is the problem, though. As mentioned earlier in the thread, the Christians/Radical Right believe that by fighting this, they are fighting to protect society, whether it wants it or not. They know what's best, and the rest of us are just misguided, but they, in their infinite compassion, will help and guide us to see the light.

Sounds crazy? Maybe, but they claim the invisible man in the sky told them so...

I know this is the problem. But I've never heard one of them actually explain it.

Why do you feel that your way is the only way? And why does it make a difference to you if someone disagrees? You may say its for the better, but better for who? For you? How does someone marrying someone else affect you in any way?

I'm not trying to be condescending, I really want to know.

[GP_Matt]

I wish the right wing could just stick to fiscal policies and leave social policies alone. Some days it can be hard to support the right.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by MattyC

I know this is the problem. But I've never heard one of them actually explain it.

Why do you feel that your way is the only way? And why does it make a difference to you if someone disagrees? You may say its for the better, but better for who? For you? How does someone marrying someone else affect you in any way?

I'm not trying to be condescending, I really want to know.

Beats me, man. I beat feet out of the grasp of organized religion as soon as I could. I have my hands full living my life the best way I can. I don't have the time or interest in policing other folks lives, too.

[Wormius]

Would it make all of the right wings happy if gays/lesbians just used a different word instead of "marriage" to describe the same thing? Go down the alphabet, try "narriage". That would work.

You're welcome.

Let me know when I should pick up my Nobel Peace Prize.

[Dogbert]

Can't we, as a society, move past this religion crap already?

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Would it make all of the right wings happy if gays/lesbians just used a different word instead of "marriage" to describe the same thing? Go down the alphabet, try "narriage". That would work.

You're welcome.

Let me know when I should pick up my Nobel Peace Prize.

[Wormius]

Fine. Gays/Lesbians can have exclusive use of "marriage". The straight folks can use "narriage" instead.

This is called a concession, for those new to the peace brokering process.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Fine. Gays/Lesbians can have exclusive use of "marriage". The straight folks can use "narriage" instead.

This is called a concession, for those new to the peace brokering process.

Why concede anything to bigotry? Especially when the non-bigots outnumber the bigots? Especially when we have a Charter that guarantees everyone's right to equality. I say "narriage for all"!

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Why concede anything to bigotry? Especially when the non-bigots outnumber the bigots? Especially when we have a Charter that guarantees everyone's right to equality. I say "narriage for all"!

Narriage for some, miniature American flags for others.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Why concede anything to bigotry? Especially when the non-bigots outnumber the bigots? Especially when we have a Charter that guarantees everyone's right to equality. I say "narriage for all"!

Well, we do in Canada. For the US, it seems that anything that isn't explicitly in their constitution is fodder for religious fanatics.

I think the bigots are their own worst enemy. When you have so-called pastors calling out for the physical abuse of kids who seem gay-like, I don't know how they can garner any support for this cause of theirs. I hope more of those guys come out of the woodwork - it just drives people away from their backwards thinking. Who wants to be associated with any of that?

[SebC]

Originally Posted by ericschand

The crazy part to all this is that ALL civil unions are now unrecognized, not just gay ones.

Does that mean no common law? If so, call it a silver lining.

[Nuje]

Originally Posted by Lobotroth

One of my favorite quotes concerning homosexuality:

Well, I say that homosexuality is not just a form of sex, it’s a form of love, and it deserves our respect for that reason.

- Christopher Hitchens

Made sure to search for the quote before posting it myself.

[CarlW]

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

A marriage becoming "official," or "recognized by God" at consummation is a fairly common held belief amongst some Christians. It's not the only one, though, but is supposedly supported by Genesis 2:24.



I'm not in the bible business, as Textcritic is, though, so I wouldn't be able to say if that was what he was referring to or not, or if there's more to it than that (I am sure there probably is).

I would argue though that while the bible encourages a view of marriage it doesnt prescribe it, nor does it specifically ban same sex marriage, which, if you assume the lord is both omnipotant and the bible is his literal word, one would assume the lord would ban it specifically (assuming he cared).

[driveway]

He does, however, very specifically ban women from defending their husbands by seizing the genitals of whomever is attacking their husband and mandates a serious punishment for doing so.

Deuteronomy 25:11-12
11 If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, 12 you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity.

I guess this was a big problem for the Hebrews?

[T@T]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

That type of pic still amazes me, I could go back in time 200 years and I would still be shocked and disappointed in so-called mankind.

[SeeBass]