2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Canada 02]

wonder if there would be any takers for Fleury at full salary plus a (1st round) pick, for futures, similar to the Marc Staal trade

[Buff]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

The whole point for LV is not to eat any salary themselves...

The whole point of my idea was to get a goalie without paying through the nose to get him, AND get some added perks...

[Strange Brew]

Agree that flames need to figure out who they want in goal, not who the best bargain is.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

So tell me again how it wasn't Bennett carrying the play on that line? Or that he was only better away from Jankowski because of Backlund.

Any way you slice it Jankowski is terrible away from Bennett, and Bennett keeps on ticking just fine away from Jankowski.

Does it really matter, it's unlikely Jankowski will be back

Also, why are some of you so obsessed with analytics determining "carrying the play"? Jankowski played less, with lesser linemates, no PP time and produced at the same rate. I'm not saying Jankowski carried Bennett by any means, I'm just saying it's stupid to give 1 guy credit for "carrying" someone when the other did just as much. You do know it is possible for two players just to play together and not have anyone "carried"

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Yes this is what is being discussed in that tweet.

Vegas: dumps MAF 100%
Acquiring team: gets MAF at 50%
3rd team: retains 50% of MAF salary and cap hit + gets a 2nd round pick for their troubles


There might be an additional piece going to Vegas and/or the acquiring team.

Vegas is only offering a 2nd round pick for to compensate the 3rd team for losing $7mil in cash, and $3.5 mil in dead cap space for 2 seasons

The potential 3rd teams are saying no we want a 1st and 2nd for retaining Fleury.

Right, so if the Flames wanted to cut out the middleman, they would do so by taking Fleury without salary retention.

I don't know that the Flames should do that, even for Vegas' 1st and 2nd round draft picks.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Right, so if the Flames wanted to cut out the middleman, they would do so by taking Fleury without salary retention.

I don't know that the Flames should do that, even for Vegas' 1st and 2nd round draft picks.

If Vegas tossed us their 1st and Fleury at full cap, I work probably be fine with the move.

Something for now, and something for the future - and yeah, it's an expensive two years but MAF is a pretty cool guy who I could get behind cheering for...even if he kinda sucked. Which hey, our goalies kinda sucking is nothing new...but at least I'd like this one, unlike Smith and Elliott.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Right, so if the Flames wanted to cut out the middleman, they would do so by taking Fleury without salary retention.

Yeah but no one is taking Fleury without salary retention, which is why Vegas needs a 3rd team.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Right, so if the Flames wanted to cut out the middleman, they would do so by taking Fleury without salary retention.

I don't know that the Flames should do that, even for Vegas' 1st and 2nd round draft picks.

It’s an interesting dilemma, though.

Markström at $6M over 5 years, or

Fleury + 1st + 2nd at $7m for 2 years (hypothetically)

Those other assets plus the bridging to the goalie of the future (Wolf) in 2 years peaks my curiosity if I’m Tre

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Yeah but no one is taking Fleury without salary retention, which is why Vegas needs a 3rd team.

I don't think it works for the Flames, or for any other team looking to contend in the next two years, but I could see it work for a rebuilding team that could use a stopgap in goal for a couple of years (while a goalie prospect develops or something). For example, if Ottawa's owner wasn't so cheap, it would make sense for them.

[jg13]

I personally believe the numbers for Markstrom are going to be closer to $7M over 6-7 years based on the amount of teams that will be interested and if that's the case, if Vegas is willing to pay that much to take on Fleury i'm all for it for 2 years.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by jg13

I personally believe the numbers for Markstrom are going to be closer to $7M over 6-7 years based on the amount of teams that will be interested and if that's the case, if Vegas is willing to pay that much to take on Fleury i'm all for it for 2 years.

I think 6x6 will get Markstrom signed and the only team that may offer more money is Detroit and he won’t want to go there.

If he gets to free agency I like Calgary’s chances because I think they will go longer term and higher salary than Vancouver and more trade protection with no goalie in the system anywhere near ready to battle for his spot which would be undisputed number 1

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Makarov

I don't think it works for the Flames, or for any other team looking to contend in the next two years, but I could see it work for a rebuilding team that could use a stopgap in goal for a couple of years (while a goalie prospect develops or something). For example, if Ottawa's owner wasn't so cheap, it would make sense for them.

The problem is without gate revenue, rebuilding teams cannot afford to pay Fleury 14m over the next 2 years

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Does it really matter, it's unlikely Jankowski will be back

Also, why are some of you so obsessed with analytics determining "carrying the play"? Jankowski played less, with lesser linemates, no PP time and produced at the same rate. I'm not saying Jankowski carried Bennett by any means, I'm just saying it's stupid to give 1 guy credit for "carrying" someone when the other did just as much. You do know it is possible for two players just to play together and not have anyone "carried"

Ok. I take it back. you are not a Derek Ryan burner account.

CLearly you are Mark Jankowski's younger brother.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think 6x6 will get Markstrom signed and the only team that may offer more money is Detroit and he won’t want to go there.

Colorado can offer more.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Colorado can offer more.

I don’t think they will I see them doing a stop gap to keep long term flexibility open

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Colorado can offer more.

Adrian Dater doesn’t believe the Avs will be in on any of the big UFAs due to their own contracts they have to manage going forward. Also, Joe Sakic has said he has his goalies already.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Adrian Dater doesn’t believe the Avs will be in on any of the big UFAs due to their own contracts they have to manage going forward. Also, Joe Sakic has said he has his goalies already.

Oh well because a GM said something, that must be it then.

Colorado was let down by goaltending this year. Markstrom fixes that. They have space and a lot of flexibility even if they sign Markstrom to 6-7 million dollar deal.

If he isn't a Canucks, he's an Av.

[Radically Red]

I wonder if all this talk of giving him away spurs Fleury on to have a great year to stick it to Vegas.. and if so is it worth taking a flyer on it?

[Owen15]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Colorado can offer more.

Isn’t that because they haven’t overpaid for players?

In three years they will need a lot of space. I’d assume MacKinnon gets something closer to market value.

I’d think they would be more into Kuemper or MAF (50%) as a short term solution.

[SuperMatt18]

If Colorado is signing Markstrom then what goalie are they trading.

If it's Grubauer then I'd be all over that. He's had issues staying healthy but he's been great when healthy, like one of the best goalies in the league.

Over the last 3 seasons he's 4th in the league at Goals Saved Above Average at 5v5 and second when you normalize for per start.

Only 28 years hold.

Hell I'd let Colorado sign Markstrom and then take Grubauer off their hands if they need to clear cap for sure. That would be better than signing Markstrom IMO.

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Oh well because a GM said something, that must be it then.

Colorado was let down by goaltending this year. Markstrom fixes that. They have space and a lot of flexibility even if they sign Markstrom to 6-7 million dollar deal.

If he isn't a Canucks, he's an Av.

Only because both Francouz and Grubauer got injured.

In the regular season Colorado had the 4th best save percentage in the league at .913.

Markstrom got hurt in the playoffs too...guess he "let the Canucks down" too