Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Fuzz]

I'm saying unless you brand yourself as The Conservative Party, it's not going to matter.


This is also why Danielle is so terrified of the new Conservative Party using that name. She understands how it works in this province after discovering the loser path of the WR ,and she defected.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Wormius

You’d have to have been dropped on your head multiple times as an infant to think party names means one iota to anyone.

This statement makes my head hurt as though you'd been dropped on my head.

Do you think there's value in brand names? Of fecking course there is. Hell, there's value in colours when used as a brand, or do you think all the conservative / right-wing political candidates using some shade of blue was a funny coincidence?

I'll say that to anyone who gives a proper damn about politics, then no, the party name is much less important. But that's in the same way people who really care about quality footwear will focus on things like materials, stitching, and construction, etc. rather than the logo / brand itself as a primary buying motivator. But for the precious few who care about the details, there are far more being sold on the name on the label. I bet for all the people who know that the Alberta NDP formally ended the policy of automatic federal NDP membership that came with provincial party membership back in May of this year, you'll find plenty more who didn't know the practice ended (or even that it was a thing).

I used to give Johnny Makarov a rough time about this too, but the truth is most people know SFA about politics as it is, and far too many voters are content to shop the brand. Maybe the brand works in other provinces like Manitoba and BC, but it hasn't worked great here. I hope that improves, or they consider branding options. Hell, a merge with the Alberta Party perhaps?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I'm saying unless you brand yourself as The Conservative Party, it's not going to matter.

And they probably should. The Alberta Conservative Democratic Party.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by GGG

And they probably should. The Alberta Conservative Democratic Party.

So close to ACDC. That might get some pickup truck leasers.


Double down. Alberta Conservative Democratic Conservatives, and prove me wrong.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

This statement makes my head hurt as though you'd been dropped on my head.

Do you think there's value in brand names? Of fecking course there is. Hell, there's value in colours when used as a brand, or do you think all the conservative / right-wing political candidates using some shade of blue was a funny coincidence?

I'll say that to anyone who gives a proper damn about politics, then no, the party name is much less important. But that's in the same way people who really care about quality footwear will focus on things like materials, stitching, and construction, etc. rather than the logo / brand itself as a primary buying motivator. But for the precious few who care about the details, there are far more being sold on the name on the label. I bet for all the people who know that the Alberta NDP formally ended the policy of automatic federal NDP membership that came with provincial party membership back in May of this year, you'll find plenty more who didn't know the practice ended (or even that it was a thing).

I used to give Johnny Makarov a rough time about this too, but the truth is most people know SFA about politics as it is, and far too many voters are content to shop the brand. Maybe the brand works in other provinces like Manitoba and BC, but it hasn't worked great here. I hope that improves, or they consider branding options. Hell, a merge with the Alberta Party perhaps?

To further your point and your metaphor, most people would see the Brand or Label and use their knowledge of that to skip the process of learning about the product, in your metaphor the quality of the stitching, materials, etc. because the product is from a trusted, or un-trusted, but known brand and ergo you as the end user, be it the consumer or the voter, dont need to know all of the little details.

So yeah...the name and the colour are meaningful, whether we like it or not. Thats how branding works.

Thats why Liberals stick to Red, keep 'Liberal' in the name, ditto for Conservatives and Blue, they are leveraging pre-fabricated Goodwill Equity.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

So close to ACDC. That might get some pickup truck leasers.


Double down. Alberta Conservative Democratic Conservatives, and prove me wrong.

Alberta Conservative Democratic Consortium.

Would make for great campaign songs.

[Knut]

The NNDP. Not NDP party

[aaronck]

Originally Posted by Wormius

You’d have to have been dropped on your head multiple times as an infant to think party names means one iota to anyone.

Unfortunately this describes too many Albertan voters...Explains a lot

[troutman]

The Woke McWokeface Party

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by aaronck

Unfortunately this describes too many Albertan voters...Explains a lot

Not true.

They also require the colour blue.

[aaronck]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Not true.

They also require the colour blue.

But they all REALLY hate the blue ring?

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Alberta Conservative Democratic Consortium.

Would make for great campaign songs.

Conservative Capital Coordination Party


CCCP

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

This statement makes my head hurt as though you'd been dropped on my head.

Do you think there's value in brand names? Of fecking course there is. Hell, there's value in colours when used as a brand, or do you think all the conservative / right-wing political candidates using some shade of blue was a funny coincidence?

I'll say that to anyone who gives a proper damn about politics, then no, the party name is much less important. But that's in the same way people who really care about quality footwear will focus on things like materials, stitching, and construction, etc. rather than the logo / brand itself as a primary buying motivator. But for the precious few who care about the details, there are far more being sold on the name on the label. I bet for all the people who know that the Alberta NDP formally ended the policy of automatic federal NDP membership that came with provincial party membership back in May of this year, you'll find plenty more who didn't know the practice ended (or even that it was a thing).

I used to give Johnny Makarov a rough time about this too, but the truth is most people know SFA about politics as it is, and far too many voters are content to shop the brand. Maybe the brand works in other provinces like Manitoba and BC, but it hasn't worked great here. I hope that improves, or they consider branding options. Hell, a merge with the Alberta Party perhaps?

Change the god damn effing name Nenshi. The federal NDP is dead and even if it isn't he should be curbstomping the name while giving it the double finger salute.

When I first cast my vote for the NDP, i had the biggest pit in my stomach while doing so. and that was against one of the worst politicians in the history of politics with Jason Kenney.

Change the effing name!!!! and the colour!

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Alberta Conservative Democratic Consortium.

Would make for great campaign songs.

The Alberta Flaming Oil Party. AFOP!

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Not true.

They also require the colour blue.

I would be surprised if any of it would have any measurable effect on the next election if they did. Enough people are pissed off at the UCP that it alone should oust them. UCP true believers aren’t going to change their votes because of a new brand. It’ll be several election cycles before an old branding fades away.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by aaronck

Unfortunately this describes too many Albertan voters...Explains a lot

It dies, but its also important, we just went through a Municipal Election and a lot of people considered that if a candidate was running with a Party was almost an instant disqualification.

Party Affiliations can certainly influence voting decisions.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Locke

It dies, but its also important, we just went through a Municipal Election and a lot of people considered that if a candidate was running with a Party was almost an instant disqualification.

Party Affiliations can certainly influence voting decisions.

That was more a reflection of disgust with the idea of municipal parties, and a rejection of the UCP for doing it.

[troutman]

I feel like change is in the air. Social Media is blowing up like I’ve never seen before.

Mess with Unions and Democracy, and find out.

[CactusJack]

I’m actually kind of scared these recalls are coming too soon. There’s still a lot of shady coal deal fallouts, health scandal reports, etc coming down the pipe and if I’m not mistaken the recall petitions can only be used once per term. IMO, there’s a pretty good chance they won’t be successful right now but will be a slam dunk a few more months down the road. Imagine how much more awful the UCP will be without the threat of recall hanging over them.

[troutman]

Speaking of coal deals - AB just paid $93.5 M to Montem.

Independent lawyers assessed a fair quantum of damages would have been $15 M.