The US is, and will always be, our best option. Diversifying trade is good, but I don't think many Canadians know what that will actually entail, so instead, it just feels good to say.
The US will always be our largest trading partner, almost without question. That doesn't necessarily mean they're our best option for things though.
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He’s right though. Partisanship rules the day these days.
For example, we need a pipeline to the BC coast. Smiths trying to get that done, but you hate her guts so presumably you’re against it. Correct me if I’m wrong. Can’t see you supporting her on that, but it’s absolutely needed if we’re serious about deleveraging from the USA.
The idea hadn’t been floated for 5 mins and didn’t even have details (because the point was to announce the work is going to be done to get the details), and you have the BC premier instantly saying no deal (to what deal? Why say no? Bizarre approach).
This isn’t a country, and we aren’t serious about working together as one.
I always like your posts and thoughts, but that last line drives me insane. I hate that line of thinking. As a province, Alberta wants these pipelines and other provinces don't...so the only way we're serious as a country is if Alberta gets our way? Gimme a break.
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People who don't think there aren't at least a dozen business plans sitting ready to go for a BC pipeline don't know anything. Why would a proponent come out at this stage and announce plans? That's the definition of shooting oneself in the foot. The regulatory and political environment is too tense right now for anyone but the federal government to lead the way.
I don't think that there are a bunch of pipelines ready to roll. I think that with the last decade of consultation requirements, moving targets in terms of the environmental and regulatory requirements, and things of that nature, companies are not as excited to consider these as you might say. To get these applications all ready and get to that kind of point it's an investment of what...$100-$200m? So you spend that kind of money and find out that the project is rejected and not getting off the drawing board. It's not surprising that shareholders are less than keen to have companies they own burning their money on that kind of thing.
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I always like your posts and thoughts, but that last line drives me insane. I hate that line of thinking. As a province, Alberta wants these pipelines and other provinces don't...so the only way we're serious as a country is if Alberta gets our way? Gimme a break.
I like your post for the most part, but I'm going to disagree with you on this one.
Yes, Alberta wants to 'get it's way' but also...being able to efficiently move resources from one are to another within our country is essential.
Ontario pays a fortune in utilities, what happens when you open the taps to Alberta resources?
We get lower prices for our resources due to shipping costs, get them to tidewater, the Feds get more Royalty revenue and distribute it among the Provinces.
So yeah, 'Alberta gets its way' but it is in the best interest of the Country as a whole, and if individual parties stand in the way of that then they are inherently hindering Canada's ability to operate as an entity with the design of the benefit for all.
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I like your post for the most part, but I'm going to disagree with you on this one.
Yes, Alberta wants to 'get it's way' but also...being able to efficiently move resources from one are to another within our country is essential.
Ontario pays a fortune in utilities, what happens when you open the taps to Alberta resources?
We get lower prices for our resources due to shipping costs, get them to tidewater, the Feds get more Royalty revenue and distribute it among the Provinces.
So yeah, 'Alberta gets its way' but it is in the best interest of the Country as a whole, and if individual parties stand in the way of that then they are inherently hindering Canada's ability to operate as an entity with the design of the benefit for all.
Right, we all know that we're right here, so if everyone would just agree with that, everything is cool. I'm not sure how that argument will go over with the other provinces, but I could take an educated guess!
LNG pipelines are going to run into the same problems as a heavy crude line. The problem is, the feds haven't shown themselves willing to show up and solve any of them.
Edit: It's not even pipelines, but rail, warehouses, port infrastructure, roads. The Lower Mainland has some of the worst land use planning in the world and is running out of industrial land. Meanwhile, hundreds of acres surrounding and in the city of Richmond now has unclear title. We can't build anything anymore.
The only problem that LNG pipelines have right now is interference from Danielle Smith.
There are 2 real LNG pipeline projects moving ahead (unlike Alberta's pretend project) and Smith is interfering with stakeholders and threatening viable projects.
Alberta interferes with BC projects and then wonders why BC doesn't get excited about Alberta concepts of a project. The problem isn't BC.
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The only problem that LNG pipelines have right now is interference from Danielle Smith.
There are 2 real LNG pipeline projects moving ahead (unlike Alberta's pretend project) and Smith is interfering with stakeholders and threatening viable projects.
Alberta interferes with BC projects and then wonders why BC doesn't get excited about Alberta concepts of a project. The problem isn't BC.
Which 2 pipelines are you referring to?
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Yeah it’s news to me that Smith is trying to block LNG projects.
Go listen to the Premier of BC for a minute. I have linked the video on this forum.
Note: I did not say blocked. She is interfering by calling up the stakeholders of the LNG projects and saying she is going to ram an Alberta pipeline through their land too. It makes them question wanting to move ahead with the LNG pipeline if it is going to open them up to more pipelines that they haven't agreed to.
DS needs to learn how to sit down and shut up and work with others instead of attacking them. She is a part of the problem, not the solution.
Go listen to the Premier of BC for a minute. I have linked the video on this forum.
Note: I did not say blocked. She is interfering by calling up the stakeholders of the LNG projects and saying she is going to ram an Alberta pipeline through their land too. It makes them question wanting to move ahead with the LNG pipeline if it is going to open them up to more pipelines that they haven't agreed to.
DS needs to learn how to sit down and shut up and work with others instead of attacking them. She is a part of the problem, not the solution.
Go listen to the Premier of BC for a minute. I have linked the video on this forum.
Note: I did not say blocked. She is interfering by calling up the stakeholders of the LNG projects and saying she is going to ram an Alberta pipeline through their land too. It makes them question wanting to move ahead with the LNG pipeline if it is going to open them up to more pipelines that they haven't agreed to.
DS needs to learn how to sit down and shut up and work with others instead of attacking them. She is a part of the problem, not the solution.
I don't think he'll be the only one. Carney is showing that he's governing far more like a classic conservative than a classic liberal, so for any of the cons that are sick of PP's push to Trump-style politics it's probably a tempting move
The US will always be our largest trading partner, almost without question. That doesn't necessarily mean they're our best option for things though.
I always like your posts and thoughts, but that last line drives me insane. I hate that line of thinking. As a province, Alberta wants these pipelines and other provinces don't...so the only way we're serious as a country is if Alberta gets our way? Gimme a break.
I don't think that there are a bunch of pipelines ready to roll. I think that with the last decade of consultation requirements, moving targets in terms of the environmental and regulatory requirements, and things of that nature, companies are not as excited to consider these as you might say. To get these applications all ready and get to that kind of point it's an investment of what...$100-$200m? So you spend that kind of money and find out that the project is rejected and not getting off the drawing board. It's not surprising that shareholders are less than keen to have companies they own burning their money on that kind of thing.
Alberta gets its way, or Canada gets its way?
You should noodle on that.
I only bring up pipelines because it’s our biggest bargaining chip with the largest value in trade deficit with the USA (ie it’s our biggest hammer to negotiate on trade).
There doesn’t appear to be much changing in Canada with provinces suddenly dealing with each other a whole bunch. Some small stuff, but nothing meaningful from what I can tell so ya, Canada is not really operating like a country from what I can tell? Let me know what you’re seeing out there though. Like what’s changed really?
okay expanding it it looks like there are 2 pipelines and one marine facility. So the pipelines look like they are the Kitimat and Woodfibre LNG. Looking at the site, both have had their environmental certificates given. so I am guessing they are at the stakeholder engagement part. That is probably why BC is not wanting DS to rock the boat.
You can’t get a permit without a ton of stakeholder engagement.
So that is probably precisely the issue. You have these projects in front of the stakeholders trying to get things sorted. Danielle Smith is doing her best Leroy Jenkins running in bringing up hypothetical pipelines that she wants to commission a study or report on.
This should be great news for everyone on CP and something we can come together and celebrate but this new budget and Carney government is eliminating the luxury tax. Everyone is welcome for champagne on my yatch.
