2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[FanIn80]

You know what's really mind-blowing? When people in 2050 talk about "back in the 20s," they're going to be talking about right now, not "our" 20s.

Yeesh.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

We don't know what's potentially outgoing.

There isn’t enough cap space to pay 3 RHed dmen in excess of $4.5mill because we wouldn’t be trading the guy we just signed and Andersson is a long-term piece.

It doesn’t make any sense.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

So what you're saying is the guy that started the whole BC/AD thing started from 1 instead of 0? Meaning the year 2020 is really only the 2019th year?

Wtf.

What floor are you on when you start from the ground?

The US Naval Observatory, the agency that maintains the country's master clock, tackled this question in 1999 as people debated when the new millennium would begin. According to the astronomical dating system through which it measures time, the observatory stated that the new millennium would begin on January 1, 2001.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/21/us/wh...rnd/index.html

[GioforPM]

FWIW Reinhart’s arb date is Oct. 27 and Mangiapane’s is Oct. 20.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Calgary has a top 4. You looking to trade Andersson?

Just spitballin' like everyone else. If there was some way to make the cap work,perhaps:

Gio-Montour/Risto
Hanifin-Andersson
Valimaki-Tanev

Hanifin is always brought up in trade rumours, perhaps he's on his way out? Like I say, we're all just talkin'.....

[Jiggy_12]

Maybe I don’t pay enough attention. Or maybe because it’s Buffalo.

But can somebody explain to me the appeal of Reinhart? I’ve never really “got it” with him, but i’m willing to admit that’s a me problem and not a Reinhart problem.

I do know he’s a good player - but the hype to me always exceeded the guy.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Just spitballin' like everyone else. If there was some way to make the cap work,perhaps:

Gio-Montour/Risto
Hanifin-Andersson
Valimaki-Tanev

Hanifin is always brought up in trade rumours, perhaps he's on his way out? Like I say, we're all just talkin'.....

There’s just no way you’d put Tanev in the third pairing.

Hanifin is LD so he’s not part of a trade to add a RD.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Getting Mittlestadt wouldn't be the end of the world, as long a he's not the centerpiece of the deal. His progression was going well until Kruger came to town,but there's plenty of reasons he was an early first-round selection-he has great hands, and vision, and he's worked hard to improve his skating. Plenty of players have regressed under Kruger.

The Buttons were also very high on Mittlestad. Craig had him as the best prospect not in the NHL in his draft plus 1 year and this was the same year that Pettersen was ripping up the SHL.

I’d be ok with Mangiapane/Rittich for Reinhart but it seems a bit lateral. I mean it puts the wingers in the right places but just not sure that Reinhart is that big an upgrade on Mangiapane.

The thought had crossed my mind that what if this was a Gaudreau trade? What if it was Gaudreau and Rittich for Reinhart, Cozens/Mittlestad, Ullmark? I might do it if it was Cozens but probably not if it was Mittlestad. There would be some cap savings there too so the Flames could probably sign a guy like Granlund to add to the current roster.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

Maybe I don’t pay enough attention. Or maybe because it’s Buffalo.

But can somebody explain to me the appeal of Reinhart? I’ve never really “got it” with him, but i’m willing to admit that’s a me problem and not a Reinhart problem.

I do know he’s a good player - but the hype to me always exceeded the guy.

I suppose, but if this is an RFA swap then I guess the question is do you feel like Mangiapane can top out as a 50+ point player? Cause that's what Reinhart is now. If the answer is no then you've got your upgrade to the top six. Maybe the hype does exceed the player but isn't the goal here to improve the top forward group? If so, mission (theoretically) accomplished.

[GioforPM]

Reinhart is a significant upgrade over Mangiapane. Half a year older, scored 42 pts in his first season and that’s been his worst. Moreover, he’s a RHS who can also play C, so you'd have a Lindholm like situation on the second line (or he could go on the first as well). Mangiapane has been shoehorned into RW and has 33 pts in his best year (last year).

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

There’s just no way you’d put Tanev in the third pairing.

Hanifin is LD so he’s not part of a trade to add a RD.

Why wouldn't you put Tanev on the third pairing? He'll get a ton of minutes on the PK1, and it wouldn't be the first time a team has had a more expensive player on the third pairing.

Hanifin would be traded, Valimaki moves up, Mackey moves in.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Why wouldn't you put Tanev on the third pairing? He'll get a ton of minutes on the PK1, and it wouldn't be the first time a team has had a more expensive player on the third pairing.

Hanifin would be traded, Valimaki moves up, Mackey moves in.

Because a ton of minutes on PK isn’t really that much. He’s a guy you match against the top lines on the other team, not play 7 minutes ES per nite.

If that was the plan they should have just kept Forbort.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by 868904

The Buttons were also very high on Mittlestad. Craig had him as the best prospect not in the NHL in his draft plus 1 year and this was the same year that Pettersen was ripping up the SHL.

I’d be ok with Mangiapane/Rittich for Reinhart but it seems a bit lateral. I mean it puts the wingers in the right places but just not sure that Reinhart is that big an upgrade on Mangiapane.

The thought had crossed my mind that what if this was a Gaudreau trade? What if it was Gaudreau and Rittich for Reinhart, Cozens/Mittlestad, Ullmark? I might do it if it was Cozens but probably not if it was Mittlestad. There would be some cap savings there too so the Flames could probably sign a guy like Granlund to add to the current roster.

I worry about Reinhart not being a huge upgrade on Mangi, because he's been Eichel's winger for a while now. That would pad anyone's stats.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Because a ton of minutes on PK isn’t really that much. He’s a guy you match against the top lines on the other team, not play 7 minutes ES per nite.

If that was the plan they should have just kept Forbort.

Hamhuis was playing 3rd pairing in Nashville, and he got near 20 minutes a night....
Coburn in TB...

[DomeFoam]

Originally Posted by 868904

I’d be ok with Mangiapane/Rittich for Reinhart but it seems a bit lateral. I mean it puts the wingers in the right places but just not sure that Reinhart is that big an upgrade on Mangiapane.

In what world is a 60 point Reinhart not an upgrade on 32 point Mangiapane??

I think you give Reinhart a new situation, just like we did Lindholm, and he can be a 70 point guy. He seems to have that one timer on the left side of the PP we could really use and great net front hand eye coordination.

Sabres fans seem to value Reinhart quite highly, and they need to shore up their D. I can't see Mangiapane ever being the main player going back. More likely Hanifin but they'd be pushing for Andersson.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I worry about Reinhart not being a huge upgrade on Mangi, because he's been Eichel's winger for a while now. That would pad anyone's stats.

A guy like Reinhart, described by one NHL talent evaluator as “Einstein on skates”, works well with a player like Eichel because he actually understands the game as well as Jack does.

Great players are hard to play with because they’re thinking the game faster than everyone else, not because they’re overwhelmingly more capable physically.

Sam Reinhart overwhelms nobody physically. It’s possible a good ten percent of this board could win a straight line race with him, but it doesn’t matter with his toolbox.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Hamhuis was playing 3rd pairing in Nashville, and he got near 20 minutes a night....
Coburn in TB...

LOL. They didn’t sign Tanev to play 3rd pairing.

BTW, Hamhius was getting $1.25/year. It’s a little different. And he was playing more like 14 minutes per night.

[topfiverecords]

If this turns into another one of those legit trades that we get leaks of most of the pieces that would improve our forward group and it falls through like the Zucker or Kadri deals ...

[DomeFoam]

FWIW, I did some digging into the Sabres source that broke the firing of Botterill and targeting of Hall and he speculated this was the trade between CGY and BUF before the bubble:

Yeah, pretty much. The deal was before the bubble, so I don’t know how the performance affected the FO outlook on the team. It was going to be Gadreau+Monahan for Reinhart and one of Risto/Montour, as well as picks/prospects. This would be about the trade I would think would happen if it did happen.

It is a lot to give up, but with the now high quality RWs in the system to eventually fix the hole left by Reinhart. I think this would really accelerate our timeline into highly competitive, now. Fix the goaltending, and you may have a contender.

https://www.sabrespace.com/community...e/60/#comments

I'm not sure if he meant this was the makings of the deal from his source or if he is simply speculating on it. Sounds like pure speculation but..

[dino7c]

lol THAT is what this is all about

FFS