2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[ComixZone]

Iggy to LA would make a whole whack of sense. Has a relationship with Darryl, has chemistry with Lucic...

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

If the Oilers sign one of Byfuglien or Yandle, as a Flames fan, I hope to god it's Yandle.

(though neither will happen anyway, so who really cares?)

I don't. Buff is a beast, yes, but he is also an undisciplined idiot who takes a bunch of really dumb penalties. He also seems to be a jerk in the dressing room from what I have heard. Bring his slow ass to Edmonton, I am all for it.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I don't. Buff is a beast, yes, but he is also an undisciplined idiot who takes a bunch of really dumb penalties. He also seems to be a jerk in the dressing room from what I have heard. Bring his slow ass to Edmonton, I am all for it.

I agree especially at 7x7 soon enough the Oilers will be in the same spot as the Bruins and forced to trade good young players like Boston did with Seguin and Hamilton. The Seguin deal Boston cleared over $4M in space dumping Peverly and the Hamilton deal saved them $5.75M with only prospects in return.

Oilers will eventually have to do the same as Chia gives big bucks to decent players. He already started it with Sekera

[Vinny01]

With the Flames search for a goalie what are the chances Montreal moves Condon? They have Tokarski down in the farm. Once Price returns obviously but this Condon kid is putting up big numbers

[genetic_phreek]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

With the Flames search for a goalie what are the chances Montreal moves Condon? They have Tokarski down in the farm. Once Price returns obviously but this Condon kid is putting up big numbers

Why would we want Condon at this point of the season? He's playing behind a hot Canadiens team and sure he's putting up good numbers but if Calgary needed a goalie, why wouldn't they chase a proven one?

I see Condon as another Cam Talbot IMO.

[IgiTang]

Last night's game vs Philly got me to thinking

Would Philly be a good trade partner?

I thought Neuvirth was really steady and made some solid saves on some premo opportunities the Flames had.

With Mason in the fold, could they afford to move one if them?

With Voracek, he's gotta be frustrated.. Not with the fact he isn't scoring, the fact he's not getting the puck in prime areas and having to battle it himself, all the time.
Last night, philly PP, Voracek on the close half boards digs the puck out himself, dishes to the point and waited for a return feed while Ramo was barely covering g the far side, and the dman never passed him the puck. For almost 30 seconds Voracek was unchecked (no pun intended) and the dman decided he was gonna keep taking the shot.

How does your beat shooter on the team not get that puck? No wonder he's struggling..

Lastly, I thought luke schenn had a decent game. Nothing flashy, solid in his own end and didn't act like a pylon.

Consider this..

Hudler, Wideman, Ramo or Hiller and maybe a throw in of Raymond

For Voracek, Neuvirth and Luke Schenn?

Would the Flames have to add? Hudler would likely re-sign there and he's produced better than Voracek the last 2 years..

Thoughts?

Edit: oh and what would it take to get Simmonds? Bouma and a prospect? A D prospect? We got lots and Philly could use someone who is close.

A lineup of

Gaudreau Bennett Voracek
Simmonds Monahan Frolik

Would be a deadly top 6

Gio Brodie
Russell Hamilton
Smid/ Engalland/Shenn

Would give us some more size on the back end which we desperately need.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Hudler, Wideman, Ramo or Hiller and maybe a throw in of Raymond

For Voracek, Neuvirth and Luke Schenn?

Would the Flames have to add? Hudler would likely re-sign there and he's produced better than Voracek the last 2 years..

Thoughts?

Edit: oh and what would it take to get Simmonds? Bouma and a prospect? A D prospect? We got lots and Philly could use someone who is close.

These are awful for Philly. Not even close to realistic.

Voracek's cap hit is 8.25 million next season and is signed through 23/24 and a season removed from putting up 80+ points. No chance he's moved for a UFA Hudler and one year of Wideman.

And Simmonds put up nearly 30 goals last year and is signed for several more seasons at an ultra friendly cap hit of 3.8 mil. It would take a helluva lot more than Bouma and a prospect.

I get this is a Flames forum but no team is going to trade us their star players for pending UFAs and bottom six players. Those proposals are cringe worthy from an unbiased standpoint.

[Harry Lime]

Everyone in the league loves Simmonds, and Voracek's value is incredibly high after his breakout last year. Philly isn't looking to break things down to the bone because of the presence of Giroux.

I also think that Calgary doesn't trade for a goalie this year.

That doesn't make Philly a bad trading partner, as you said, but I think that the focus would have to be on players that have become depth pieces in their organization.

With Giroux, Couturier and Laughton, Brayden Schenn has been displaced. He may never live up to his perceived potential, but he is a valuable, versatile, physical forward. Philly also sees Luke Schenn as having negative value, but he wouldn't be horrible in a 5-7 role during this rebuilding year. This is a UFA year for Luke and RFA year for Brayden.

Taking on both might give you Luke and Brayden, with a good prospect such as Sam Morin or even Travis Sandheim, depending on who you are willing to send the other way.

The Flyers are a definite possibility for a swap.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Everyone in the league loves Simmonds, and Voracek's value is incredibly high after his breakout last year. Philly isn't looking to break things down to the bone because of the presence of Giroux.

I also think that Calgary doesn't trade for a goalie this year.

That doesn't make Philly a bad trading partner, as you said, but I think that the focus would have to be on players that have become depth pieces in their organization.

With Giroux, Couturier and Laughton, Brayden Schenn has been displaced. He may never live up to his perceived potential, but he is a valuable, versatile, physical forward. Philly also sees Luke Schenn as having negative value, but he wouldn't be horrible in a 5-7 role during this rebuilding year. This is a UFA year for Luke and RFA year for Brayden.

Taking on both might give you Luke and Brayden, with a good prospect such as Sam Morin or even Travis Sandheim, depending on who you are willing to send the other way.

The Flyers are a definite possibility for a swap.

I've mentioned Brayden Schenn in the past and I hope that Treliving is focusing on him as I believe he's one of the few players available that can play a top 6 role. He's currently playing top 9 with Philly who does not appear to view him as a core piece. He's piped off about the flyers benching his brother so that's probably put him out of favour. Hextall has been trying to dump some bad contracts (lecavalier umberger and l schenn) so that probably will be a prerequisite for getting Brayden in any trade.

Philly is deep a c but weak on the wing. Believe we would have to pay a pretty penny to acquire which is why it hasn't happened yet. Would love to send Backlund the other way bit unless we can convince them he can play the wing it's unlikely. Hudler as a ufa isn't probably attractive enough as Philly is building for the future so it probably involves hudler plus a top prospect ( poirier or klimchuk). Would love for it to happen but not sure if the right fit is there.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Consider this..

Hudler, Wideman, Ramo or Hiller and maybe a throw in of Raymond

For Voracek, Neuvirth and Luke Schenn?

Would the Flames have to add? Hudler would likely re-sign there and he's produced better than Voracek the last 2 years..

Thoughts?

Edit: oh and what would it take to get Simmonds? Bouma and a prospect? A D prospect? We got lots and Philly could use someone who is close.

I don't think Philly could take on Raymond, even if we took Schenn off their hands. Wideman seems like a good fit for them, but the trade doesn't really add up it's just too big.

Putting myself if Philly's shoes, Voracek isn't touchable right now good player great price tag he just needs a bit of time, I would want a D that can move the puck up ice and qb the pp, and cheap forwards that can fill minutes so I can try and dump some bad salary.

In the Flames shoes, I just have a hard time seeing them pickup a retread goaltender in exchange for any real assets. What is a guy like Neuvirth really going to do for the Flames playing the way they have been playing.

My first thought is something like
Wideman + Colborne <--> Schenn + Simmonds
It's always really hard to put yourself in the other teams shoes, so I'm probably way off.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by #-3

My first thought is something like
Wideman + Colborne <--> Schenn + Simmonds
It's always really hard to put yourself in the other teams shoes, so I'm probably way off.

You are. Simmonds had been the Flyers leading goal-scorer over the last 4 years, he's scored more than Giroux. He's been a consistent '30' goal scorer with them and he just turned 27. Not to mention his contract is a steal for the next 4 years with less than a 4M cap hit. Colborne for him is way way way off.

[Harry Lime]

#3 - I thought that I was being a homer for thinking along the lines of Schenn + Schenn + Sandheim for Backlund + Russell + (Granlund/Wotherspoon/Kulak)

I think that Simmonds is as untouchable as Vorachek.

[kyuss275]

If some of you guys want to think about getting Simmonds, better be prepared to give up a 1st +.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

I get this is a Flames forum but no team is going to trade us their star players for pending UFAs and bottom six players. Those proposals are cringe worthy from an unbiased standpoint.

Easy there tiger... So you think I'm out to lunch. Cool.

I probably am and was definitely looking at it with my rose coloured glasses. Hence my Raymond point.

But something has to give in Philly and sometimes GM's make poor/dumb/panic trades..

But I still think one of Voracek or Simmonds and could be had without giving up the future.

I agree with some that we ride out our 3 headed monster this season but if not, Neuvirth is worth looking at.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Easy there tiger... So you think I'm out to lunch. Cool.

I probably am and was definitely looking at it with my rose coloured glasses. Hence my Raymond point.

But something has to give in Philly and sometimes GM's make poor/dumb/panic trades..

But I still think one of Voracek or Simmonds and could be had without giving up the future.

I agree with some that we ride out our 3 headed monster this season but if not, Neuvirth is worth looking at.

Not just you, but I don't get why the majority of trades suggested seem to be impact players for our older / pending UFA / role players. That was two of Philly's top three forwards (who are young and locked up long term) for terrible value. Just don't get how that seems the least bit viable to anyone thinking up proposals.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

But I still think one of Voracek or Simmonds and could be had without giving up the future.

But why do you think that? Those are CORE players for Philly. It is great to hope that might be the case, but there has to be some rationale reason why you think they would trade them without getting back CORE long-term pieces.

They would want pieces like Johnny, Brodie, Monahan, Bennett. Not our scraps.

[The Yen Man]

Realistically, you're only getting Wayne Simmonds if you give up one of Monahan, Brodie, Gaudreau, or Bennett. Think about it from Philly's standpoint. If you were them, would you give up Simmonds for anyone else on the Flames?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

If you were them, would you give up Simmonds for anyone else on the Flames?

I think Hamilton gets it done, especially when you're looking at team with a top 4 of Del Zotto, Streit, Gudas and Medvedev. Simmonds isn't without his own struggles this year, as most Flyers are, anyways.

But from the Flames perspective I would hope they hold onto the 22 year old defenseman.

[Soliak]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Hudler, Wideman, Ramo or Hiller and maybe a throw in of Raymond

For Voracek, Neuvirth and Luke Schenn?

Would the Flames have to add? Hudler would likely re-sign there and he's produced better than Voracek the last 2 years..

Thoughts?

Edit: oh and what would it take to get Simmonds? Bouma and a prospect? A D prospect? We got lots and Philly could use someone who is close.

Originally Posted by IgiTang

I probably am and was definitely looking at it with my rose coloured glasses.

I don't think rose coloured glasses rationalises those proposals buddy

The first one is really bad but at least Wideman and Hudler are decent players and have some form of value. Having said that, apparently we have been trying to offload Wideman for awhile and he's still here, so the value probably isn't that high. I'd say he gets moved before the trade deadline next year. Hudler is a UFA though.

Would you trade Iggy in his prime for a mediocre defenseman, a midget upcoming UFA who isn't having a good season and some worthless cap dumps? Not only that, but would you do that and then throw in some decent ish pieces? Voracek alone isn't even in the same stratosphere as the package you mentioned. Embarrassing to read.

Bouma and a prospect for Wayne Simmonds? Jesus christ mate. He has a sub 4 mil cap hit and is a gun player. Think Glencross value when he was decent, just better. Would return something like a 1st in the range of 5-15 + a very decent prospect, perhaps more.

[N-E-B]

If (and this is a HUGE if) Philly is trading Voracek or Simmonds it's because they've decided to rebuild. There's no scenario in my mind where you can get either of those guys without sacrificing significant pieces of the Flames future.

Voracek has a terrible contract. The Flames should stay far away from him. I'd be ecstatic if they could get Simmonds, and I think it would be possible without giving up too big of a piece (Monahan, Gaudreau, Bennett, Hamilton, Brodie), but you'd have to give up your first for sure and probably a guy of Kimchuk/Poirier/Kylington/Jankowski's caliber. Simmonds adds a lot at a great price. He wouldn't be cheap.