02-16-2026, 09:06 AM
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#27681
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Originally Posted by Finger Cookin
Rumour has it he's a pretty big wheel down at the cracker factory.
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The dig by Marge saying “flames haven’t been good in years” while true , kinda hurt to hear.
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02-16-2026, 09:48 AM
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#27682
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Spurly
To the essentially crowd, next time you go to buy a car and it’s 42,500.
Would you be ok with the salesman saying, well it’s essentially 45000, so pay up.
One number is not essentially a different number.
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That's not a very good analogy because those have a clear difference in value.
It would be more like I have ten cars, they're all $20,000, you're hoping to pick the one that will last longest, and you get the first choice of which one you want.
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02-16-2026, 09:53 AM
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#27683
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by RedHawk12
Haha this was the argument! Nobody is saying the Vegas 1st may have just as well been a Vegas 2nd. Nobody is saying we basically got a late 2nd for Andersson.
"The Vegas 1st is late, there's little difference in value between a late 1st and an early 2nd"
Response: "Well actually, an early 2nd isn't even available in trade!"
Huh? What are you guys even arguing about? You've lost the plot.
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But if a 28th overall pick is essentially a 34th overall pick it is also essentially a 22nd overall pick which really means we got a mid 1st round pick for Rasmus.
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02-16-2026, 09:54 AM
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#27684
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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A person that says essentially a second is trying to water down a trade result because he doesn't like the trade.
The motives are already suspect.
A person comparing a late 1st round pick to an early 2nd round pick is assessing two asset values and that's fair game.
But as others have said ... team X is in 5th place, they have the 28th pick in the first round and the 60th pick in the second round. You trade with that team and you don't have an indifference between their 1st and 2nd. So the whole point is silly from the start.
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02-16-2026, 10:45 AM
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#27685
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Franchise Player
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Teams rarely want to pick players that other teams want. That's why we consistently see teams move up from later picks to earlier picks without providing any additional compensation. 34th gets you 28th every time. If the Flames are the team that wants McKenna, they could use a later-round pick to grab him. It's a coincidence that highly desired players get picked early.
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02-16-2026, 11:27 AM
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#27686
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RedHawk12
But it is:
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You proved my point.
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02-16-2026, 12:32 PM
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#27687
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Appealing my suspension
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Just outside Enemy Lines
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In the Anderson trade the dynamic of this year's first affecting a second or first next year adds a lot more variation. On its own you much prefer a first to a second because it's 32 slots. But two straight picks at 32 is technically worth less than a 21 and a 64 according to a chart that Matt Perri at Puckpedia did. We need Vegas to be like last year's Panthers where they get in as a lower seed and either win the cup or lose by round 2. At this time it looks like the Vegas pick is in the 21 to 32 range. So cheer against the likely result of that pick ending up in the 26 to 29 range.
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02-16-2026, 12:47 PM
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#27688
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
A person that says essentially a second is trying to water down a trade result because he doesn't like the trade.
The motives are already suspect.
A person comparing a late 1st round pick to an early 2nd round pick is assessing two asset values and that's fair game.
But as others have said ... team X is in 5th place, they have the 28th pick in the first round and the 60th pick in the second round. You trade with that team and you don't have an indifference between their 1st and 2nd. So the whole point is silly from the start.
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But as I said, this last paragraph about trading for a 2nd with the same team was never the point.
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02-16-2026, 12:51 PM
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#27689
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Franchise Player
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Pretty sure it was the guy who was spouting off about Ras not being worth a first for months who started it. Anyway its dumb convo a first is a first is a first.
Lets move on
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02-16-2026, 12:53 PM
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#27690
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RedHawk12
But as I said, this last paragraph about trading for a 2nd with the same team was never the point.
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The point was to make the trade sound worse than it was. There’d be a semblance of a point if a team with a high second wanted Andersson.
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02-16-2026, 01:48 PM
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#27691
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#1 Goaltender
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The delta in expected value between 28 and 34 is the same as the expected value of 84 itself so saying 28 is essentially a 2nd is not accurate. 28 being essentially a high 2nd + mid 3rd has more validity but what an odd way to message to something.
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02-16-2026, 01:59 PM
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#27692
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#1 Goaltender
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Who could forget the Canucks trading Cory Schneider to the Devils in exchange for essentially 30 7th-round picks? Crazy trade.
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