Star Wars

[ComixZone]

It seems most of us arguing about the varying degrees of suck that is Star Wars nowadays. "This sucked more than that sucked"...damn that's depressing.

Hopefully Disney stops aimlessly running down the 'road' they're on. They seem to be course correcting on the Marvel front, I just hope they do with Star Wars as well. If a brand new Star Wars movie dropped in theatres tomorrow, I wouldn't even bother - and that's a hell of a thing for me to say given how much I loved everything Star Wars prior to Disney.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

It seems most of us arguing about the varying degrees of suck that is Star Wars nowadays. "This sucked more than that sucked"...damn that's depressing.

Hopefully Disney stops aimlessly running down the 'road' they're on. They seem to be course correcting on the Marvel front, I just hope they do with Star Wars as well. If a brand new Star Wars movie dropped in theatres tomorrow, I wouldn't even bother - and that's a hell of a thing for me to say given how much I loved everything Star Wars prior to Disney.

The next movie is the Mandalorian and Grogu. Love Mando, but not sure how I feel about him as the subject of a movie. So much of his story has already been told.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

It seems most of us arguing about the varying degrees of suck that is Star Wars nowadays. "This sucked more than that sucked"...damn that's depressing.

Hopefully Disney stops aimlessly running down the 'road' they're on. They seem to be course correcting on the Marvel front, I just hope they do with Star Wars as well. If a brand new Star Wars movie dropped in theatres tomorrow, I wouldn't even bother - and that's a hell of a thing for me to say given how much I loved everything Star Wars prior to Disney.

Yeah, I think this is the issue for me.

With Star Trek? Discovery was...without question the worst entry into the Trek Universe. Hands down. It was bad and they should feel bad for having been so bad.

Picard? Seasons 1 and 2 were incoherent nonsense.

But you still had things to go back to, you had Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks which were excellent and even Picard S3 was pretty good!

With Star Wars? It seems like its got to be 'Tentpole or Bust.'

Mandalorian? Both seasons were very strong.
Andor? Really good.

Then what?

Ahsoka was lame. She should stick to being Mando's sidekick.

Acolyte? Nothing even happened.

Book of Boba Fett? Yeah, they invested some cash into the effects but thats about all I can say.

Hell...the best Star Wars offered to us recently has been 'The Bad Batch' and I enjoyed that but its over now because they wrote themselves into a corner. Like idiots.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by blankall

The next movie is the Mandalorian and Grogu. Love Mando, but not sure how I feel about him as the subject of a movie. So much of his story has already been told.

Yeah I don't have any actual interest in seeing a Mando and Grogu movie. If the movie itself is fantastic? Awesome, I'll give it a go when it hits digital...but it's just not a movie I'm that interested in. By the end of the last Mando season, I was already at the point where I just wanted it to end.

After that it's onto the Rey movie, right? Episodes 8 and 9 couldn't have been any worse for that character...so, again - I just don't have the interest.

I didn't even really like the final season of Bad Batch.

It's not even Star Wars fatigue on my front, it's the endless onslaught of uninteresting and poorly told stories that are killing it for me. If these shows/movies were good, I'd be all over them...but they aren't, and I'm not.

[CaptainCrunch]

Animated Star Wars still seems to be the king, and maybe its because there's no limits on what they can do, and the stable of voice actors are so incredibly strong.


I loved Bad Batch, but it could have been a bit better in the last season, but they fell into the trap of we want a happy ending.



They could have really established the Empire as a terrible thing, by killing off a Cody, or having Tech as Trooper X.

[SutterBrother]

Originally Posted by Coach

We all love hockey and the Flames. But if they had a 24hr Flames channel and a some new Flames TV show every 3-4 months, even the hardest fans would stop tuning in. And then before you know it you forget that it's actually all centred on the game.

...slowly raises hand...

[SutterBrother]

In hindsight, Ahsoka was lame for two main reasons:

1) The show wasn't about Ahsoka. It should have been called Rebels.
2) The character Ahsoka was nothing like Ahsoka. It's fine for her to have matured since Clone Wars. But give a fan SOMETHING so it feels like the same character.

[bdubbs]

Originally Posted by SutterBrother

In hindsight, Ahsoka was lame for two main reasons:

1) The show wasn't about Ahsoka. It should have been called Rebels.
2) The character Ahsoka was nothing like Ahsoka. It's fine for her to have matured since Clone Wars. But give a fan SOMETHING so it feels like the same character.

This is exactly it for me. Ahsoka was defiant and spunky and hot-headed and learned things the hard way. But she learned eventually. She was a 'emotions on her sleeves' kind of character, not aloof and cold like she was portrayed in Ahsoka (TV Show). Yes, aging should take away some of the impulsiveness of her character naturally, but the way they portrayed her after Rebels was nothing like the real Ahsoka to me.

[Duruss]

We pretty much only got proper Ahsoka in the final episode, which of course is poblematic.

Acolyte and Ahsoka had the same issue for me. The bones of a really great story are right there, but are some really drawn out issues with how it was/is told. Ahsoka was too stoic, in Acolyre there were 2 stupid flashback episodes. That slowed down the good stuff like Ahsoka finishing her training or Qimir doing anything.

[KTrain]

Ahsoka is tied with the Mandalorian universe, left us with a full cliffhanger and introduced one of the better villains in the SW universe, that's why we're getting another season. They have an opportunity to right the ship.

Book of Boba Fett wasn't great and they've shut it down. It didn't have the same reasons to keep it going.

[direwolf]

At least we still have Andor S2 to look forward to. That show is an absolute masterclass in how to tell a good Star Wars story. It’s easily the best thing Disney has done since they took over the franchise.

I really enjoyed Mando, so I’m looking forward to the upcoming movie. And I’ll still give the Rey movie a shot, provided they can give us an interesting story this time.

[FlameOn]

Acolyte cancelled. No season 2

https://deadline.com/2024/08/the-aco...us-1236044233/

[Locke]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

Acolyte cancelled. No season 2

https://deadline.com/2024/08/the-aco...us-1236044233/

No surprise.

How interesting was it? There was a vague joke about one character's name but beyond that I couldn't name a single other character.

It was just not good. It was entirely aimless, I cant even try and explain whatever story they were trying to tell.

Do these people not have bosses? Oversight? Something?

"What story are you trying to tell?"

- "Well....theres these girls and they're twins and such and...."

"Yeah. And...??"

- "Thats really it."

Someone needs to really take Star Wars by the throat and just give it some goddamned direction.

Filoni cant do it and Kennedy absolutely can't do it. But this is getting ridiculous.

- Ahsoka was lame. Part of that is because the character sucks.

- Book of Boba Fett? That content was handed to you on a silver platter and it was awful. All you had to do was not be an idiot. Too much to ask apparently.

- The Mandalorian had 2 glorious seasons and a little drop in S3 but largely because you're asking this guy to carry Star Wars, all of it, on his back all by himself.

- Bad Batch was pretty good, I'll grant that.

- Andor...ANDOR!! The Series that I thought was going to be a complete joke that nobody would care about has been the best. And 'by far.'

These should be bulletproof. Absolute 'gimmies.' If they dont suck people will watch. But you've made Star Wars suck.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Locke

No surprise.

How interesting was it? There was a vague joke about one character's name but beyond that I couldn't name a single other character.

It was just not good. It was entirely aimless, I cant even try and explain whatever story they were trying to tell.

Do these people not have bosses? Oversight? Something?

"What story are you trying to tell?"

- "Well....theres these girls and they're twins and such and...."

"Yeah. And...??"

- "Thats really it."

Someone needs to really take Star Wars by the throat and just give it some goddamned direction.

Filoni cant do it and Kennedy absolutely can't do it. But this is getting ridiculous.

- Ahsoka was lame. Part of that is because the character sucks.

- Book of Boba Fett? That content was handed to you on a silver platter and it was awful. All you had to do was not be an idiot. Too much to ask apparently.

- The Mandalorian had 2 glorious seasons and a little drop in S3 but largely because you're asking this guy to carry Star Wars, all of it, on his back all by himself.

- Bad Batch was pretty good, I'll grant that.

- Andor...ANDOR!! The Series that I thought was going to be a complete joke that nobody would care about has been the best. And 'by far.'

These should be bulletproof. Absolute 'gimmies.' If they dont suck people will watch. But you've made Star Wars suck.

I agree with all of this. You forgot to mention Obi-Wan, which was just ok and really only worth watching because of Ewan McGregor. The final duel with Vader was pretty cool too, but the rest of that series was sub-par at best.

As for Filoni, I’m convinced that he should just go back to doing animation and stay there. Dude just doesn’t have what it takes to make quality live action entertainment. If they want to improve Ahsoka, they should let Favreau take over IMO.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by direwolf

I agree with all of this. You forgot to mention Obi-Wan, which was just ok and really only worth watching because of Ewan McGregor. The final duel with Vader was pretty cool too, but the rest of that series was sub-par at best.

The parts that were actually about Obi-Wan were pretty good. The problem was that much of the series was about a bunch of characters that kind of sucked. Does anyone even remember anything about the Cenobi....I mean....Inquisitors?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by direwolf

I agree with all of this. You forgot to mention Obi-Wan, which was just ok and really only worth watching because of Ewan McGregor. The final duel with Vader was pretty cool too, but the rest of that series was sub-par at best.

As for Filoni, I’m convinced that he should just go back to doing animation and stay there. Dude just doesn’t have what it takes to make quality live action entertainment. If they want to improve Ahsoka, they should let Favreau take over IMO.

I liked Kenobi for the most part, but the problem remains the same.

McGregor and cameos for Christenson were pretty much the only thing holding it together. It didnt provide much in terms of substance.

I would say Kenobi was 'Good.' Its not in the same stratosphere as Mando S1/S2 or Andor, but its close.

It wasn't bad, it just suffered the same problem of being 'Directionless.'

You've this gigantic big-ass Universe....try telling some stories about it?

You dont have to lock yourself into Lore or Canon or movies or whatever.

You know who had heard of Mando/Djin Djarin prior to that show?

Nobody.

So you could do what you wanted! How did that work out? Seems like it turned out okay.

Andor? You know who knew about Andor? Also no one. That seemed like it worked out fine.

Why not more of that?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

Acolyte cancelled. No season 2

https://deadline.com/2024/08/the-aco...us-1236044233/

And I dont want to get into all of the Politics of it.

I don't care.

The show was bad on its own merits. What does kind of irk me though is that Manny Jacinto IMO really poured his heart into it.

That just seems like tragically wasted effort. Everyone involved should be ashamed of themselves for letting him down.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by direwolf

I agree with all of this. You forgot to mention Obi-Wan, which was just ok and really only worth watching because of Ewan McGregor. The final duel with Vader was pretty cool too, but the rest of that series was sub-par at best.

As for Filoni, I’m convinced that he should just go back to doing animation and stay there. Dude just doesn’t have what it takes to make quality live action entertainment. If they want to improve Ahsoka, they should let Favreau take over IMO.

Agreed.

I think Filoni is a good 'Idea Man' but 'Execution?' Not so much.

Favreau seems like he has a more stable grasp of that element.

[bc-chris]

i don't know how CC isn't employed by them - he got lots of great story ideas and "what could have been" with these series

i don't know why so much of what they produce just falls flat. i was sooooo excited about the book of boba fett (my favourite star wars character by a mile) and it was a chore to get thru that series... it was such a let down.

[CaptainCrunch]

I really was looking forward to the book of Boba Fett, I believe that the series failed because of fan pressure. Fans didn't want him to be just a bounty hunter that works for the Empire. As soon as he was fleshed out in Legacy EU he was doomed. Why because they made Fett an Honorable bounty hunter, and they took that out to Disney.

So instead of getting a steely eyed killer, we got the guy that wanted to basically build a society, and be the honorable good guy crime lord.

So BoBF suddenly became driven by a bland character with creepy teeth.

Fett shouldn't have been walking around town, trying to rule with respect. He should have bled the town of every credit, and ruthlessly killed everyone that got in his way, and killed a few others to encourage obedience.

In his brief exposure in Empire Strikes back, all Fett cared about was getting paid. Frankly the first thing he should have done when he escaped the Sarlacc was check his bank balance and see if there was a bounty on the Pitt.

Instead we got an all too human Boba Fett on a quest for redemption. Its been done before.


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