Crave has confirmed with TrekMovie that it will “phase out” Star Trek content as of August 1st, including the legacy shows. In fact, subscribers can already see warnings within Crave about the different shows leaving between July 24 and July 31. The one exception is Star Trek: Strange New Worlds, which is currently running its second season. Bell Media has confirmed that Strange New Worlds will be available to stream on Crave until the fall.
So tomorrow is the crossover episode, I think. Anyone else have their inner child just going mental in anticipation? This might very well be one of the coolest things Trek has ever done. Too bad it isn't "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" style.
So tomorrow is the crossover episode, I think. Anyone else have their inner child just going mental in anticipation? This might very well be one of the coolest things Trek has ever done. Too bad it isn't "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" style.
I think thats next week but uh....
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This season of SNW has been a total victory. Franchise saver imo. I was totally in the star trek pits after Picard s3 but this is so, so great.
Even my wife was laughing about the charades bit lol.
I know what they're trying to do in not leaning too heavily on Mount/Pike, despite the fact that he kills every scene he's in.
But whats more....no weak characters.
You can lean on Spock, Singh, Chin-Riley, Ortegas, Uhura, Chapel, M'Benga, Pelia....whomever....they're all great. Honestly, my least favourite character in this show thus far has been Captain Kirk.
Think about that. When Kirk is the weakest player on your Star Trek team? You've got a good show.
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Ever since I watched that Red Letter Media review if Picard season 3 pointing out how juvenile the dialogue is, I can't not see and hear it.
The over all writing and characters are strong, but some of the actual lines give me highschool musical vibes, and not the movie but like an actual high school musical.
Character wise, M'Banga seems to be the one that always stands out for me as well... if we are taking Pike out of the pool of choices.
The fact that the Enterprise crew characters, particularly Anson Mount's 'Pike', were more interesting than the Discovery crew cardboard cut-outs characters is emblematic of the massive, massive problems of that show. Frankly it's just... dumb. It's a dumb show with terrible writing.
I look back on TOS, TNG, DS9 and yeah they had a lot of hokey moments, but they also had all these wonderful allegorical stories and morality plays. Some characters were better written than others, or more thoroughly fleshed out than others, but at least they were woven into a story wherein they were shown to be competent people. STD characters other than Burnham are pointless and stupid; their actions are irrelevant, they contribute essentially nothing to the story, they're just occupying seats on a bridge set. If they killed them all off and replaced them in the next episode it would be meaningless to the overarching story. TOS/TNG/DS9 had one-off characters who were better characterized than 90% of the main cast of STD. I feel sorry for the actors, as surely they didn't set out to be a part of something so tedious.
I re-watched a fourth-season episode of TNG relatively recently, one wherein Geordi Laforge is kidnapped by the Romulans and brainwashed into assassinating the governor of a Klingon colony fighting for independence. (A bit of an homage to The Manchurian Candidate.) At one point they discover Enterprise's cargo transporters were surreptitious used to send weapons to the rebels and the records have been expertly falsified, and Worf asks the engineers working on it "which members of the crew could have accomplished this?" Laforge says he could have, so could Data of course, and Chief O'Brien, and Lieutenant So-and-so.
Point being there were several subject matter experts on the ship, and they all could have done it. The ship was full of smart, competent people, and even this extremely difficult cover-up could have been accomplished by more than one person on the ship. We as the viewers know it was Laforge himself who did it, and it's the first clue Worf/Data have that it was Laforge because when asked for alibis: Data and the unseen Lt. What's-his-face were at their duty stations, O'Brien was with Keiko in a public place, and Laforge says he was in his quarters and has no alibi.
That story would never have happened on Discovery, because Michael Burnham is the only one who does anything anyway so of course it would have been her. Or it would have been one of the background characters with no plausible reason or explanation, and Burnham—and only Burnham—could have figured it out. (Whereas in the TNG episode it's Data who ultimately deduces that Geordi has been brainwashed, but Data wouldn't have figured it out nor stopped Geordi without Picard, Riker and Worf's help.)
SNW eschewed Discovery's focus on one main character, and it's immeasurably better for it. They give a little screen time to all of the main characters and it makes every episode more interesting. Granted they'd recast a bunch of characters that had already been on screen—Pike, Spock, Una, Uhura, Chapel, M'Benga, T'Pring, Sam Kirk, Jim Kirk, Amanda Grayson, Robert April (sort of...)—and as recurring characters, they don't have to work quite so hard to give them backstories because we the audience know they already have them, but they're doing new and interesting things with those characters anyway.
I wrote before in this thread that what they're doing with T'Pring makes the Those Old Scientists ( ) episode "Amok Time" a lot more compelling than it ever was before. Before, T'Pring was just this heartless witch who didn't care if Spock or Kirk died in order to get out of her betrothal to Spock. Vulcans are interesting characters because they're presented as emotionless but they actually do have them, they just very strongly suppress them, so when I rewatched that episode years after first seeing it I thought "Y'know, Spock and her must have had some baaaaaad blood between them for her to be this nasty." Now what they're doing with SNW is showing them earnestly trying to "make it work", and we know it'll ultimately fail, so "Amok Time" is now a lot more poignant and sad to me than it ever was in the first place.
They're not only using an old episode as a launching point to write stories about Spock and T'Pring, they're writing new and interesting stories about them, stories that fit the pre-existing narrative. Whereas Discovery wedged a bunch of nonsense into the pre-existing narrative and the only way the writers figured they could reconcile it was throw the characters into the far future and pretend the first couple seasons basically never happened. (Which is INCREDIBLY ####ing stupid!)
We need an Ortegas-centric episode, because she's great. We already have little tidbits of info about her just from a few throwaway lines in the first 15 episodes of this show. It's done so well that I want to know more. She's already better characterized than literally every single character on Discovery (and I couldn't give less of a #### about them).
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Ever since I watched that Red Letter Media review if Picard season 3 pointing out how juvenile the dialogue is, I can't not see and hear it.
The over all writing and characters are strong, but some of the actual lines give me highschool musical vibes, and not the movie but like an actual high school musical.
Character wise, M'Banga seems to be the one that always stands out for me as well... if we are taking Pike out of the pool of choices.
In general the dialogue is quippier and cheekier than a military vessel should have, but it’s really only Ortegas that sounds like today’s internet…it’s fine to me cause that’s her character. While I’d like them to kick up the professionalism, I’ll still take it over all the fuucks that kept dropping on Picard.
SNW eschewed Discovery's focus on one main character, and it's immeasurably better for it. They give a little screen time to all of the main characters and it makes every episode more interesting. Granted they'd recast a bunch of characters that had already been on screen—Pike, Spock, Una, Uhura, Chapel, M'Benga, T'Pring, Sam Kirk, Jim Kirk, Amanda Grayson, Robert April (sort of...)—and as recurring characters, they don't have to work quite so hard to give them backstories because we the audience know they already have them, but they're doing new and interesting things with those characters anyway.
Yeah - I can't even imagine Discovery doing an episode centred on the woman with the cybernetics on her face. And if they did no one would be invested because despite her having been on the show since the first episode I can't even remember her name or know anything about her.
Yeah - I can't even imagine Discovery doing an episode centred on the woman with the cybernetics on her face. And if they did no one would be invested because despite her having been on the show since the first episode I can't even remember her name or know anything about her.
They did do a whole story line on her IIRC during the arc where the AI tried to take over the universe and kill all organic beings.
They did the whole backstory, her getting corrupted and turning on the Discovery crew, and her eventual death by Michael.
It fell flat because up until that point, all she'd done was sit in the back ground and snap her head in surprise. She was the ultimate in lawn furniture and the whole story line felt forced because nobody cared about her.
It was the same with Detmer, they had a real opportunity for her to be a interesting character. Michael caused her all sorts of pain and disfigurement. Then instead of exploring that, she joined the Michael fan club. Then they teased that she had PTSD, and then fixed that in like 2 episodes. Then they made her EVIIIL in the mirror universe and nobody cared. Then to really trash her, she was the one praising the cannibal, genocidal former Empress of the mirror universe by toasting her and calling her a bad ass.
There are two watching styles for me. I watch Strange New Worlds because its a great watch, well written, well acted. I watch Discovery for the unintentional cringe and comedy oh and the Ozzy Osbornee concert style bridge fires with super flame shooters.
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They did do a whole story line on her IIRC during the arc where the AI tried to take over the universe and kill all organic beings.
They did the whole backstory, her getting corrupted and turning on the Discovery crew, and her eventual death by Michael.
It fell flat because up until that point, all she'd done was sit in the back ground and snap her head in surprise. She was the ultimate in lawn furniture and the whole story line felt forced because nobody cared about her.
It was the same with Detmer, they had a real opportunity for her to be a interesting character. Michael caused her all sorts of pain and disfigurement. Then instead of exploring that, she joined the Michael fan club. Then they teased that she had PTSD, and then fixed that in like 2 episodes. Then they made her EVIIIL in the mirror universe and nobody cared. Then to really trash her, she was the one praising the cannibal, genocidal former Empress of the mirror universe by toasting her and calling her a bad ass.
There are two watching styles for me. I watch Strange New Worlds because its a great watch, well written, well acted. I watch Discovery for the unintentional cringe and comedy oh and the Ozzy Osbornee concert style bridge fires with super flame shooters.
Detmer was the one I was thinking of. Yes they did an episode about the even more cybernetic one but as you said that fell flat because until then she'd just been in the scenery.
On the opposite end of this is ST: Picard, where they kept forcing horrible characters on you in the first 2 seasons. At least the last season redeemed itself.
SNW benefits from not having a story arc they need to shoehorn into each episode. If you don’t have great writers (not saying SNW doesn’t), stick to episodic TV.
) episode "Amok Time" a lot more compelling than it ever was before. Before, T'Pring was just this heartless witch who didn't care if Spock or Kirk died in order to get out of her betrothal to Spock. Vulcans are interesting characters because they're presented as emotionless but they actually do have them, they just very strongly suppress them, so when I rewatched that episode years after first seeing it I thought "Y'know, Spock and her must have had some baaaaaad blood between them for her to be this nasty." Now what they're doing with SNW is showing them earnestly trying to "make it work", and we know it'll ultimately fail, so "Amok Time" is now a lot more poignant and sad to me than it ever was in the first place.
