Edmonton is No Good X: Up and Down Like a Toilet Seat

[topfiverecords]

More likely to win the LOLder than the Calder.

[Backstop]

[Enoch Root]

They just CAN'T WAIT to declare greatness on a player - often in pre-season!

[CaptainYooh]

This chart is totally accurate.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

This chart is totally accurate.

No, it isn't. Oilers fans are easily MUCH more obnoxious than Leafs, Rangers and Habs fans. There just aren't as many of them.

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[FusionX]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Haven't listened but apparently on the Marek show today, he and Friedman talk about the NHL needing to do a better job of "protecting its stars" after the "controversial hit".

####. Right. Off.

I don't often catch the Marek show but unfortunately, I had a midday drive and was tuned in.

Honestly, it was all kinds of ridiculous but if this is what the media truly believes and to an extent, the league, in terms of profit/entertainment, I'm not surprised there is this uproar.

Coles' notes:
- basically says that star players bring the profit/value, ie. people go to watch them, and not having them in the line-up is bad for business
- compared NHL star players to NFL QBs and brought up the new "protecting the passer" rules in the NFL
- discussed the controversy around how some don't like this new rule as they feel the NFL is too soft now, brings up ex-NFL QB who says "tough, it's needed," basically

This next part almost blew my mind:
- they talk about how it's no longer at the level of the league, but that this is an issue at the NHLPA/player level
- suggested that the players need to sit down and essentially come to realize that the star players are paying their meal ticket and decide collectively to ensure they remain playing
- at some point, Friedman makes the statement to the essence of, "well, if they're injured on a legal play, that's fine, but not on an illegal play"

I mean, you may be thinking, surely that's hyperbole, but I assure you, I am not. I may not be quoting them word for word, but I'm not exaggerating anything.

How utterly ridiculous is this? I mean, there is a fundamental difference between a NFL QB vs one of 20 other skaters on the ice, regardless of skill or star power. If anything, the closest position in comparison in hockey would be the goalie, and guess what, there ARE rules in place to protect them.

Secondly, to give preferential treatment to star players in hockey, whether from players or reffing/league, would tarnish the game, and honestly, after listening to this conversation, if there is even a remote chance this happens, has already for me. This idea is just not comparable to blanket protecting the goalie (QB) league-wide.

And then lastly, they talk about protecting the star players to ensure they play, but then are ok if they're out from a "legal" play? WTF. If your ultimate point is that they should be playing, it doesn't matter whether it's a legal play or not that knocks them out. More than anything, this contradiction reinforces in my mind that if it's not already present, there is certainly a mindset where certain players should be "handled" differently. How to decide who though? Just the best in the league? Most marketable? "Best" player in a struggling market? I mean, why try to actually build a winning team if it's all about finding the league/player darling?

Anyways, I had to rant about it. If you're interested in getting needlessly frustrated or upset about something, have a listen (I'm sure it's online somewhere). But I guess if I am getting so worked up over this idea, maybe I just need to take a break from hockey overall, *shrug*

[FlamesAddiction]

I personally never found Leaf fans that annoying and I lived in the Toronto area area for several years.

Really, the only things that I find annoying are:

- Their over abundance. They are everywhere and it is annoying when they pack the arena and bars in other people's home territory. That is less a trait of the people and just the nature of the beast.

- Most Leaf fans I knew in Toronto knew very little about teams in the west. I knew some of the most avid and die hard Leaf fans who couldn't name more than 5 players on other teams, particularly those in the west. They seem to live in a bubble where only their team matters. I never really found Leaf fans to be dismissive or critical of teams in the west, but it was hard to talk about anything else but the Leafs with them.

- Their over-representation in the national media. Again, not really their fault. The media just follows the money, but it is kind of annoying.


It's nothing like Oiler fans with their inappropriate sense of entitlement. The media over-representation is also a factor that make the Oilers annoying, just like the Leafs. But I guess that is a team thing and not a fan thing.

[midniteowl]

I'm surprise Rangers fans are that high, I understand Habs can be quite annoying, my niece's husband is a Habs fan and he is annoying as hell, especially in the Covid season that the Habs made it to the SC final and he's bragging and taunting me with his texts. I told him, his team will miss the playoff next season. He wouldn't believe it. lo and behold, they did. Then radio silence, didn't text me at all.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

I'm surprise Rangers fans are that high, I understand Habs can be quite annoying, my niece's husband is a Habs fan and he is annoying as hell, especially in the Covid season that the Habs made it to the SC final and he's bragging and taunting me with his texts. I told him, his team will miss the playoff next season. He wouldn't believe it. lo and behold, they did. Then radio silence, didn't text me at all.

Probably because Flames fans don't particularly care about the Rangers. I imagine their nearby rivals, of which there are many, aren't too fond of them.

It's funny how little that chart correlates with winning.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Probably because Flames fans don't particularly care about the Rangers. I imagine their nearby rivals, of which there are many, aren't too fond of them.

It's funny how little that chart correlates with winning.

What's revealing is how much that chart correlates with money.

The three teams at the top of the list – Leafs, Rangers, Habs – are also the three teams that, by Forbes' estimates, make over half the profits of the entire NHL. Those fan bases are old, huge, and entitled. They tend to believe their teams are the only ones that matter, and can't understand why they don't win championships year after year.

Then you have Edmonton. That fan base is much newer and smaller, but they make up for it by taking entitlement to a level we've never seen before. Of course they are aided and abetted by the aging executives who dominate the hockey media, most of whom started out in the 1980s and still have Gretzky on the brain.

[Mindtravellee]

Originally Posted by FusionX

I don't often catch the Marek show but unfortunately, I had a midday drive and was tuned in.

Honestly, it was all kinds of ridiculous but if this is what the media truly believes and to an extent, the league, in terms of profit/entertainment, I'm not surprised there is this uproar.

Coles' notes:
- basically says that star players bring the profit/value, ie. people go to watch them, and not having them in the line-up is bad for business
- compared NHL star players to NFL QBs and brought up the new "protecting the passer" rules in the NFL
- discussed the controversy around how some don't like this new rule as they feel the NFL is too soft now, brings up ex-NFL QB who says "tough, it's needed," basically

This next part almost blew my mind:
- they talk about how it's no longer at the level of the league, but that this is an issue at the NHLPA/player level
- suggested that the players need to sit down and essentially come to realize that the star players are paying their meal ticket and decide collectively to ensure they remain playing
- at some point, Friedman makes the statement to the essence of, "well, if they're injured on a legal play, that's fine, but not on an illegal play"

I mean, you may be thinking, surely that's hyperbole, but I assure you, I am not. I may not be quoting them word for word, but I'm not exaggerating anything.

How utterly ridiculous is this? I mean, there is a fundamental difference between a NFL QB vs one of 20 other skaters on the ice, regardless of skill or star power. If anything, the closest position in comparison in hockey would be the goalie, and guess what, there ARE rules in place to protect them.

Secondly, to give preferential treatment to star players in hockey, whether from players or reffing/league, would tarnish the game, and honestly, after listening to this conversation, if there is even a remote chance this happens, has already for me. This idea is just not comparable to blanket protecting the goalie (QB) league-wide.

And then lastly, they talk about protecting the star players to ensure they play, but then are ok if they're out from a "legal" play? WTF. If your ultimate point is that they should be playing, it doesn't matter whether it's a legal play or not that knocks them out. More than anything, this contradiction reinforces in my mind that if it's not already present, there is certainly a mindset where certain players should be "handled" differently. How to decide who though? Just the best in the league? Most marketable? "Best" player in a struggling market? I mean, why try to actually build a winning team if it's all about finding the league/player darling?

Anyways, I had to rant about it. If you're interested in getting needlessly frustrated or upset about something, have a listen (I'm sure it's online somewhere). But I guess if I am getting so worked up over this idea, maybe I just need to take a break from hockey overall, *shrug*

This will be the worst thing to happen. Star players in other sports I follow are given a longer leash by the ump before blowing the whistle. Ruins the sport

[Sutter_in_law]

Originally Posted by FusionX

I don't often catch the Marek show but unfortunately, I had a midday drive and was tuned in.

Honestly, it was all kinds of ridiculous but if this is what the media truly believes and to an extent, the league, in terms of profit/entertainment, I'm not surprised there is this uproar.

Coles' notes:
- basically says that star players bring the profit/value, ie. people go to watch them, and not having them in the line-up is bad for business
- compared NHL star players to NFL QBs and brought up the new "protecting the passer" rules in the NFL
- discussed the controversy around how some don't like this new rule as they feel the NFL is too soft now, brings up ex-NFL QB who says "tough, it's needed," basically

This next part almost blew my mind:
- they talk about how it's no longer at the level of the league, but that this is an issue at the NHLPA/player level
- suggested that the players need to sit down and essentially come to realize that the star players are paying their meal ticket and decide collectively to ensure they remain playing
- at some point, Friedman makes the statement to the essence of, "well, if they're injured on a legal play, that's fine, but not on an illegal play"

I mean, you may be thinking, surely that's hyperbole, but I assure you, I am not. I may not be quoting them word for word, but I'm not exaggerating anything.

How utterly ridiculous is this? I mean, there is a fundamental difference between a NFL QB vs one of 20 other skaters on the ice, regardless of skill or star power. If anything, the closest position in comparison in hockey would be the goalie, and guess what, there ARE rules in place to protect them.

Secondly, to give preferential treatment to star players in hockey, whether from players or reffing/league, would tarnish the game, and honestly, after listening to this conversation, if there is even a remote chance this happens, has already for me. This idea is just not comparable to blanket protecting the goalie (QB) league-wide.

And then lastly, they talk about protecting the star players to ensure they play, but then are ok if they're out from a "legal" play? WTF. If your ultimate point is that they should be playing, it doesn't matter whether it's a legal play or not that knocks them out. More than anything, this contradiction reinforces in my mind that if it's not already present, there is certainly a mindset where certain players should be "handled" differently. How to decide who though? Just the best in the league? Most marketable? "Best" player in a struggling market? I mean, why try to actually build a winning team if it's all about finding the league/player darling?

Anyways, I had to rant about it. If you're interested in getting needlessly frustrated or upset about something, have a listen (I'm sure it's online somewhere). But I guess if I am getting so worked up over this idea, maybe I just need to take a break from hockey overall, *shrug*

I caught this too, and got equally as worked up as you - so don't worry about that!


Marek said that the players need to say to themselves "ok, I know the rules say that he's eligible for a hit (...) BUT - to me that's the only solution, the players need to say that 'these are our meal tickets, don't touch `em'"

"I don't disagree with you, I don't" said Friedman


link to the audio https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000586613025

[Toonage]

Your meal ticket? You are your own meal ticket in organized pro sports.

Do your job. Get paid. If that means erasing McDavid along the boards and he sits out a few weeks, so be it. Let him by, watch him score, watch your ice time decrease, say good bye to your actual meal ticket.

[foshizzle11]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Your meal ticket? You are your own meal ticket in organized pro sports.

Do your job. Get paid. If that means erasing McDavid along the boards and he sits out a few weeks, so be it. Let him by, watch him score, watch your ice time decrease, say good bye to your actual meal ticket.

ya, this is a joke if the league actual tries to get players doing this.

What competitive athlete would do this? I played high level sports growing up and there is zero chance that I would take it easy on the other teams star, like zero chance.

If the league is serious about being a league to bet on, this cannot happen. The reffing needs to be black and white and a lot less grey and certain players shouldn't have special treatment if this is the case.

If they want to start a non-contact league, then go do that and make it a totally different game. I would stop watching if the league actually came out and said "don't hit the stars", blah blah.

Seriously, what a joke.

[FlamingHomer]

So who decides who's a star and who isn't?

[Yeah_Baby]

If Vancouver was any good they'd be much higher on the annoying fan list.

[topfiverecords]

If Friedge & Marek had their way we’d have baby soft flag ‘hockey’ being played on green ice.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by FlamingHomer

So who decides who's a star and who isn't?

That's where the idea really falls apart. If the refs are deciding, they're (I guess quietly?) biased and can't call the game fairly. If the player is designated a "star" and each franchise can pick one, what happens if that player is traded and now a team has two stars but can only put the 'do not touch" wrap on one of them? So dumb.

[Major Major]

It's a really poorly thought out idea. Are they talking about an event or something that led to this? These guys clearly have too much air time.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Your meal ticket? You are your own meal ticket in organized pro sports.

Do your job. Get paid. If that means erasing McDavid along the boards and he sits out a few weeks, so be it. Let him by, watch him score, watch your ice time decrease, say good bye to your actual meal ticket.

It’s complete & utter lunacy. McDavid almost got injured because he was avoiding the legal hit. It wasn’t a knee. The still shots verify this.



Elder angles and maintain his line of engagement.



Connortactless McFlailvid tries to get out of the way to avoid the hit. It’s the same fabrication they did when he grabbed Gio’s stick lost an edge & drove himself into the post.

The part that is the most stark about this is the game has NEVER been safer for star players.

This isn’t Paul Kariya being cross checked in the head by Gary Suter.

It isn’t Eric Lindros being concussed with hits into retirement.

It also isn’t Mario quitting for 3 years because he was tired of the hooking and holding.

The only reason Conny can even display his skills is because of the situation. It’s like the 4 on 1 Rangers goal last year. It’s viewed as his skill, while ignoring that he’s going against 4 guys trying to not take a penalty.

Additionally replacement level 3rd/4th line players now are better than they have ever been. They’re elite level athletes in their own rite.

As good as the stars are, they aren’t skating around face punching chain smoking alcoholics like in the 80’s & early 90’s.

Marek & Friedman know they their takes are covered in stupid, but they’re trying to be edgy & get people talking. Obviously it’s working.

To me, the most ridiculous thing is McDavid & his enables have the audacity #### off at the refs & anyone else who will listen about their perceived slights & impediments.

If he’s the shiny studded role model he’s portrayed to be, well by all means we should be encouraging our young players and his acolytes to bitch to the ref instead of fighting through a check.

It’s a joke.