2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by AC

Duchene would be a huge add. I can't imagine a package the Flames would be willing to offer that would also work for Colorado though.

Flames would likely only be in a position to offer some prospects and picks, and "throw-in" level NHL players. But I don't see Colorado being interested.

You never know. With Treliving at the helm, all fans assumptions are just that.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

FWIW

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Scouts from Canucks, Canadiens, Ducks (two scouts), Blues, Flames, Devils and Sabres on hand for Avs, with Duchene in lineup

You know a roster player needs to be going the other way.. Backs is the only close comparable value with the addition of a Kylington or a Andersson

[TheScorpion]

Trading Backlund for Duchene and adding from our side would make me physically ill.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

You know a roster player needs to be going the other way.. Backs is the only close comparable value with the addition of a Kylington or a Andersson

Or Fox.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Trading Backlund for Duchene and adding from our side would make me physically ill.

I agree actually. Just saying that would be the ask IMO

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I'll start a firestorm and say that I would trade TJ Brodie straight up for Matt Duchene right now now

Outside of last year's great-goaltending Penguins, consider the runs of just about every recent team to go deep in the playoffs. They needed players like TJ Brodie to win 2-1 and 1-0 low event games. Here are some of the blue line top 4/6s that come to mind:

2017 Predators
Ekholm-Subban
Josi-Ellis

2016 Penguins
Dumoulin-Letang
Maatta-Daley
Cole-Schultz

2016 Sharks
Vlasic-Braun
Martin-Burns

2015/2013/2010 Blackhawks
Keith-Seabrook
Oduya/Campbell-Hjalmarsson

2015 Lightning
Hedman-Stralman
Coburn-Garrisson

2014 Kings (I don't remember their exact pairings)
Mitchell-Doughty
Muzzin-Voynov
Martinez-Green
Regehr

Without Brodie's high-level play, we don't have a chance at playing that kind of game. It's not about outscoring the Oilers in October. It's about the cup. The way this team needs to play will never be glamorous.

Forwards ARE important. We need forwards who generate more out of the cycle and create tempo off the rush. But don't be so sure we don't already have them internally. We have star players like Gaudreau and Tkachuk. We have some serious star potential in Sam Bennett, who is already a better defensive center than Duchene. We have more centers who I feel will consistently contribute offensively in Backlund, Monahan, and Jankowski. We have supporting players in Ferland, Versteeg, and Frolik. It's easy to look at Matt Duchene's box score numbers and things "70 points. He'd obviously make us better" but everything has an opportunity cost. On the power play. On the PK. At 5 on 5. You're not adding 25 goals. Someone will score less because of it. And in Duchene's case his skillset is almost redundant. So how many team goals have you really added? Seven? Eight? But at what other expense in terms of two-way play or controlling the boards? I don't consider Duchene a multifacetted player.

MacKinnon is an interesting contrast to that. For starters he's better defensively than Duchene, and he's a righted hand shot which means the only guy potentially seeing their role reduced would be Versteeg, which is the guy whose role you want to be reduced to be a deep team. Not Monahan or Bennett or Tkachuk or Gaudreau. But I assume he's an untouchable, and even then I'm not sure we could weather the loss of Brodie. Overall the top priority right now might be adding a forward, but trading Brodie would open up a new hole. We want to fill a hole, not replace one hole with another.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Outside of last year's great-goaltending Penguins, consider the runs of just about every recent team to go deep in the playoffs. They needed players like TJ Brodie to win 2-1 and 1-0 low event games. Here are some of the blue line top 4/6s that come to mind:

2017 Predators
Ekholm-Subban
Josi-Ellis

2016 Penguins
Dumoulin-Letang
Maatta-Daley
Cole-Schultz

2016 Sharks
Vlasic-Braun
Martin-Burns

2015/2013/2010 Blackhawks
Keith-Seabrook
Oduya/Campbell-Hjalmarsson

2015 Lightning
Hedman-Stralman
Coburn-Garrisson

2014 Kings (I don't remember their exact pairings)
Mitchell-Doughty
Muzzin-Voynov
Martinez-Green
Regehr

Without Brodie's high-level play, we don't have a chance at playing that kind of game. It's not about outscoring the Oilers in October. It's about the cup. The way this team needs to play will never be glamorous.

Forwards ARE important. We need forwards who generate more out of the cycle and create tempo off the rush. But don't be so sure we don't already have them internally. We have star players like Gaudreau and Tkachuk. We have some serious star potential in Sam Bennett, who is already a better defensive center than Duchene. We have more centers who I feel will consistently contribute offensively in Backlund, Monahan, and Jankowski. We have supporting players in Ferland, Versteeg, and Frolik. It's easy to look at Matt Duchene's box score numbers and things "70 points. He'd obviously make us better" but everything has an opportunity cost. On the power play. On the PK. At 5 on 5. You're not adding 25 goals. Someone will score less because of it. And in Duchene's case his skillset is almost redundant. So how many team goals have you really added? Seven? Eight? But at what other expense in terms of two-way play or controlling the boards? I don't consider Duchene a multifacetted player.

MacKinnon is an interesting contrast to that. For starters he's better defensively than Duchene, and he's a righted hand shot which means the only guy potentially seeing their role reduced would be Versteeg, which is the guy whose role you want to be reduced to be a deep team. Not Monahan or Bennett or Tkachuk or Gaudreau. But I assume he's an untouchable, and even then I'm not sure we could weather the loss of Brodie. Overall the top priority right now might be adding a forward, but trading Brodie would open up a new hole. We want to fill a hole, not replace one hole with another.

Interesting points, I don't really agree with your points on Bennett. He hasn't really shown he can constitently be counted on in a defensive role and I haven't seen enough "serious" star potential. Yes he has lots of potential but at this point I would be satisfied if he could be a 50 pt player, him becoming a star is much more unlikely. I don't think the Flames are looking to trade Bennett for Duchene rather have Duchene as a winger they could play with Bennett to elevate his game.

[Tbull8]

Off topic, but Agostino just scored a beautiful game winner in OT for Boston.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Trading Backlund for Duchene and adding from our side would make me physically ill.

Backlund for Duchene is a interesting. I think it is a loss for the Flames, but does improve the topline. I would think the Flames would have to dump a salary along with Backlund and then take back a lesser contract.

[erikk3]

Why would the Avs want Backlund though? Doesn't make sense

[ColoradoFlamesFan]

Duchene is not the answer at the likely price asked/demanded. Maybe a few years back before he got all the bad habits and started to be vacant on his current team.
I really think this team needs to hold and see where the current team takes us. If he's available at the deadline still it'll be because Joe can't decide what day it is, or what they want to do with his roster.

[Machiavelli]

If we're doing a blockbuster trade, can I have Landeskog instead?

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

I agree actually. Just saying that would be the ask IMO

They can ask all they want, but that's not going to get a Duchene trade completed.

[nik-]

I would be legitimately sad if we traded Backlund for Duchene.

I want Backlund to retire a Flame probably more than anyone on the team.

[Sandman]

I would be upset if we traded Backlund for Duchene-he's such an important player, kinda like a poor man's Bergeron. I don't think this trade would help the team, Duchene is overrated.

[Vinny01]

If the Avs turned down Hamonic, 1st and a prospect the Flames cant come close to matching that offer.

The Habs have to be the team that goes all in considering their putrid centre ice depth.

[SeanCharles]

I don't know why this is even being discussed as a possibility..

No way either side is trading Backlund for Duchene.

If by some miracle we do trade for Duchene it will not be for one of our current core players. We want to add, swapping Backs for Duchene is a lateral move.

It makes no sense so why bother discussing it. It will never happen.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If the Avs turned down Hamonic, 1st and a prospect the Flames cant come close to matching that offer.

The Habs have to be the team that goes all in considering their putrid centre ice depth.

Though Sakic has waited long enough that it's a very different market from when he reportedly turned down that deal.

[JurassicTunga12]

I just don't see how we can get Duchene without giving up a big piece off our roster, one that wouldn't really be a good idea.

but it's Treliving we're talking about here. The wizard.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If the Avs turned down Hamonic, 1st and a prospect the Flames cant come close to matching that offer.

The Habs have to be the team that goes all in considering their putrid centre ice depth.

Well, they can. Brodie straight up. If Sakic had that sort of deal on the table, Duchene would be gone. My feeling is, he goes to Columbus for Ryan Murray when this is done. It makes a lot of sense to me.