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GranteedEV · 01-30-2018, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Corral

I can see the top half of this roster completely tuning out the @$# kicking coach that many of you so badly want here. Why would they listen to that garbage? The last guy we had like that (Hartley) was shown the door and called out as the worst coach ever. Those days are gone.

? In 2015-16, the year Hartley got fired, Brodie, Gaudreau, Monahan, Backlund, Colborne/Bennett, Hamilton(after a rough start on a new team) all of whom were in our top six F/top four D at the time had what up to then were career years. Giordano, Frolik both had solid years. Ferland had a visually strong year with the worst puck luck in the NHL.

The players who had piss poor years were guys like Wideman, Hiller, Russell, Engelland, Bouma, Stajan, Bollig, Jones, Raymond. And I doubt anyone would say Russell or Engelland didn't give it their all.

Our top guys did not tune Hartley out. Hartley had prehistoric penalty kill systems and such but top guys played hard for him to the very end. And Hartley also lost his energizer bunny in preseason to an idiotic management decision, who happened to be our best penalty killer.

Now if bottom guys tuned him out, you can live with that. It's a competitive league and bottom sixers / bottom D are dime a dozen - you tweak and add guys who are willing to pay the price unless they have hih end skill. Hartley understood thst and he rode bottom guys hard to get the most out of them. He also gave top skill guys trust in situations like protecting leads, which led to empty net goals by our top line and insurance goals on the rush.

Gulutzan's communist philosophy is probably a lot more likely to get tuned out by top players like Brodie and Gaudreau IMO. But at least Matt Stajan and Troy Brouwer are happy.

Beninho · 01-30-2018, 11:11 PM

0-7 vs the Oilers is all you need to know, fire him ASAP or watch this season crumble and watch as the Islanders get our lottery pick. Sickening

Locke · 01-30-2018, 11:19 PM

Well. 7 wins in a row.

Now 5 losses in a row.

I've always maintained that Gulutzan was consistently inconsistent and it seems as though he's getting a handle on that. Not a good handle, but a handle none the less.

midniteowl · 01-30-2018, 11:32 PM

I can understand they don't want to fire GG because there is no better option? But FFS, fired Cameron, and bring Gelinas down.

Ashasx · 01-30-2018, 11:45 PM

Inanimate carbon rob for powerplay coach.

djsFlames · 01-30-2018, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by GullFoss

You know at work when you're on a team with a crazy smart lead who is super likeable, but he's a little soft. You slack off more than you should. You know you shouldn't and its not in anyone's best interest. But you can't help it. He just doesn't have that presence of being the boss and while you don't like upsetting him, there's no real consequences of not doing things exactly how they're suppose to be done. So you take advantage of the situation.

That super smart lead is GG - its painfully obvious. Guys like Keenan, Hartley, Sutter, Bowman, Caryle, Babcock - you don't #### with guys like that. Because they will win the battles and they will beat you in submission or kick you off the island. With GG, its pretty obvious that as a player he's a guy you can #### with.

Its Machiavelli's Prince - better to be feared that loved. Human nature doesn't change.

Not going to pretend to know what GG is like in the room and how he handles these performances with players, but seeing how the guys were more or less chuckling about the stick throw like it wasn't worth worrying about, this may very well be the case.

Ryan Coke · 01-31-2018, 12:25 AM

This team is all 50/50, play safe, don’t make mistakes. The team has learned from, and taken the identity of its coach.

PlayfulGenius · 01-31-2018, 12:57 AM

I keep seeing 50/50 references... what does this mean?

868904 · 01-31-2018, 01:03 AM

It might be because i'm biased and only watching the Flames, but the Flames sure seem like they make a lot of stupid decisions. I just didn't see the same thing from the Knights or other good teams. With the Flames, it's just stupid decision after stupid decision. Maybe the system is just too complicated and they are thinking too much. I'm not even talking about the Frolik play. Every game, dumb turnovers all over the ice, it's incredibly frustrating to watch.

Itse · 01-31-2018, 02:35 AM

So, an 11 game point streak ends, leaving us11th in conference.

This is not looking good at all.

Pointman · 01-31-2018, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

Not going to pretend to know what GG is like in the room and how he handles these performances with players, but seeing how the guys were more or less chuckling about the stick throw like it wasn't worth worrying about, this may very well be the case.

Makes me wonder, if it was stick throw or Jagr being cut that has mobilized the dressing room.

That being said, it seems like GG has been getting good results out of our top six. It is our bottom six - arguably the worst in the league - that is killing us. Cameron may suck and all, but we don't have a legit PP QB in mold of Aucoin or Wideman. It could be that our roster is overrated. Media tend to put more emphasis on stars and ignore depth, so teams with stars and no depth are overrated (Oilers and to extent Flames) while teams with no stars but great depth are underrated (Vegas).

taco.vidal · 01-31-2018, 06:33 AM

GlueGun is a dud coach. He isnt a winner. This team wont be a playoff threat with him at the helm.

Finger Cookin · 01-31-2018, 06:52 AM

50-1-3 in the last two seasons when leading after two periods.

Burn it all down.

Erick Estrada · 01-31-2018, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Locke

Well. 7 wins in a row.

Now 5 losses in a row.

I've always maintained that Gulutzan was consistently inconsistent and it seems as though he's getting a handle on that. Not a good handle, but a handle none the less.

I tempered my excitement during the winning streak for this very reason. For me to be a believer I had to see a team that bounced back after that first loss and unfortunately it's exactly what we have seen over the past few seasons in that they revert right back to the uninspired, mediocre hockey that has been the hallmark of this team under the coach.

It's pretty apparent this team will not make the playoffs unless they hit another long winning streak or two seeing anything in between the winning streaks under Gulutzan has been sub .500 hockey.

kukkudo · 01-31-2018, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

50-1-3 in the last two seasons when leading after two periods.

Burn it all down.

.500 hockey with this roster. Yes burn it down, they hired a dud time to move on in the off-season and bring in somebody with some damn credibility.

Finger Cookin · 01-31-2018, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by kukkudo

.500 hockey with this roster. Yes burn it down, they hired a dud time to move on in the off-season and bring in somebody with some damn credibility.

The Flames were 12 games above .500 last season and are 8 games above .500 so far this season after 50 games this seasons, which extrapolates to 13 games over .500 in a fill season.

Tell me more about credibility.

rotten42 · 01-31-2018, 07:48 AM

A mentally weak team. That's why without a large shake-up nothing will change....the just same old mediocrity.

Vinny01 · 01-31-2018, 07:51 AM

This team has been competitive under GG but he has had a solid roster to deal with. Looking st the charts and graphs this team has been much better under GG.

In my opinion this team has had patches of being entertaining but this group has also been the most frustrating team to watch since the Playfair year of not winning on the road. On one hand you have a team that has won 50 of the past 54 where they lead after 2. On the other hand you have a team that has been constantly letter teams back in games when they are leading by 2.

They have lost 7 straight to the Oilers, they were swept in the playoffs, and have fallen flat when facing the eastern Canadian teams.

GG might get the season with potential for guys like AV and Quenville being available this summer. I am of the opinion that a change now could save the season but maybe they need to wait to get the best coach

automaton 3 · 01-31-2018, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

The Flames were 12 games above .500 last season and are 8 games above .500 so far this season after 50 games this seasons, which extrapolates to 13 games over .500 in a fill season.

Tell me more about credibility.

This years’s team has exceptional goaltending and for the most part, a healthy roster.

They should be trending up, not treading water.

Erick Estrada · 01-31-2018, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

GG might get the season with potential for guys like AV and Quenville being available this summer. I am of the opinion that a change now could save the season but maybe they need to wait to get the best coach

Change now? To who? AV and Quinville aren't currently available. Dave Tippett is the only guy available that makes sense but he would require a long term commitment and I would rather wait until the offseason as if AV or Quenville is available I think the team has to roll out the red carpet.