2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors v2

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by T@T

Either you haven't watched him much or glue is a terrible drug for you to sniff, unless your talking straight salarie, Hamonic in no way is close to those two let alone between them.

Funny thing, different people value different things, different people like what some players bring more than others. Me having a differing opinion than you does not mean I huff drugs or have never watched him. It simply means I value (and I am positive the league does too) defensemen that have the ability to play a defensive game without being a liability with the puck.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

Fair enough. Great points. I'd take the the 25 year old bonecrusher over the 22 year old offensive specialist all day every day.

I would also say that Kopitar, Getzlaf, Kane, Thornton etc. would agree with you and prefer that the Flames stay soft. It's nice to play against players who are nice.

Hamonic is the closest U30 thing in the league there is to 2006 Robyn Regehr. He plays smart. He hits. He hits to hurt. He can play top 2 minutes. He can win games.

Giordano, Gaudreau, Monahan, Brodie, Hamilton is a small and soft core. Great players that nobody is afraid of.

There is a reason the Flames are in the top half in league scoring with this fairly weak forward group and it is thanks to having 3 Dmen who score over 40pts a year.

Guys like Brodie and Hamonic where no where near where Dougie was at 22.

[flamesfan55]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

Fair enough. Great points. I'd take the the 25 year old bonecrusher over the 22 year old offensive specialist all day every day.

I would also say that Kopitar, Getzlaf, Kane, Thornton etc. would agree with you and prefer that the Flames stay soft. It's nice to play against players who are nice.

Hamonic is the closest U30 thing in the league there is to 2006 Robyn Regehr. He plays smart. He hits. He hits to hurt. He can play top 2 minutes. He can win games.

Giordano, Gaudreau, Monahan, Brodie, Hamilton is a small and soft core. Great players that nobody is afraid of.

The big problem with a bone crusher is they wear down much faster. Hamilton style of play is easier to do game to game rather then going out and running everyone down. I like Haminoc but Hamilton has been a top 4 Dman since he joined the league. That doesn't happen very often.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

Fair enough. Great points. I'd take the the 25 year old bonecrusher over the 22 year old offensive specialist all day every day.

I would also say that Kopitar, Getzlaf, Kane, Thornton etc. would agree with you and prefer that the Flames stay soft. It's nice to play against players who are nice.

Hamonic is the closest U30 thing in the league there is to 2006 Robyn Regehr. He plays smart. He hits. He hits to hurt. He can play top 2 minutes. He can win games.

Giordano, Gaudreau, Monahan, Brodie, Hamilton is a small and soft core. Great players that nobody is afraid of.

The problem with what your saying is Hamonic is not the player you are describing. He's not a bone crusher. He's not even a hitter. He has 148 hits for the season, which is only 2.1 per game. To put that into context, Ferland has 205 hits, or 3.0 per game. Roman Polak has 299, or 3.9 hits per game, which is almost twice as many per game. Rado Gudas has 292, or 4.1 per game. One of my favorite prospects on the blueline, Stephen Johns, has 52 in 12 games, or 4.3 per game. Seems if we want a bone crusher that should be our guy, not Hamonic.

My big problem with Hamonic is that prior to his announcement of wanting to be traded he wasn't on anyone's radar. He was a middling defenseman on a middling Islanders team, not worthy of much discussion. Since his announcement he's become the flavor of the year and the guy everyone wants. My opinion is that if he wasn't interesting enough to talk about before a public trade demand he probably isn't all that and a bag of chips. I still see Hamonic as a middling defenseman on a middling team and I wouldn't trade any of our top three for him. From what I have seen from Jokipakka so far I wouldn't trade him for Hamonic either, not on that friendly contract that we need so badly. There are other less expensive options out there to meet our needs on the blueline. We should pursue them.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Husky

Hamonic is over rated.

Exactly one year ago Travis Hamonic was a guy that most fans across the league would know by name only in most cases if they heard about him at all. Nobody a year ago was saying; "We should trade player A for Travis Hamonic". Now because he's requested a trade in a league where trades rarely happen outside of a couple of times a year and he's being talked about like he's an elite defenseman. He's a decent defenseman that would look good on any team's 2nd pairing but lets not get carried away here as he's still a mostly anonymous defender on a team that hasn't accomplished anything in decades. He's not a difference maker or game changer for any team but a good depth addition.

[Mister Yamoto]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

There is a reason the Flames are in the top half in league scoring with this fairly weak forward group and it is thanks to having 3 Dmen who score over 40pts a year.

Guys like Brodie and Hamonic where no where near where Dougie was at 22.

Dougie. OK I get it. You like Dougie. Really? I play pool with Dougie on Wednesdays.
Maybe the reason why the Flames are in the top half of league scoring is because they are 11th. In a 30 team league is that so great? Yeah, they are 11th in offence so it is not a problem?

Dougie........ Top half in league scoring. Yeah.

[Poe969]

Wow, I don't get why you're hating on Hamilton so much. Did Ricardodw get to you???

Hamonic is good but there is no way in hell that you should trade Hamilton for Hamonic. Hamonic isn't a bone crusher and he doesn't put up a ton of points, he's a really good top 4 guy who I think would compliment our top 3 but not at the cost of any of those 3.

Hamilton puts up a lot of points and plays the game well and he's still learning and improving. The Flames are 11th in the league for scoring because most of the scoring comes from the D or is because of the D. The point Vinny was making was that our D are high scoring and Hamilton is a big reason for that.

I don't know if any GM in the league would do a Hamilton for Hamonic deal straight up lol.

[Mister Yamoto]

Ya. maybe Wideman, Raymond and a 3rd will get it done.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Hamilton could be a 50-60 point 6'5 puck moving dman in his prime. Even though we do need more physicality on the backend I'd be very, very wary of moving Hamilton. We don't need to move Hamilton to get a banger, we have lots of other assets Treliving could use.

If we're looking to make an elite top 4 defense and not be worried about the expansion draft the best move might be to draft Chychrun.

[Poe969]

lol, I could honestly see Wideman as part of a deal this summer. The guy is still serviceable so he could be traded to another team and that return included in another deal.

I can't see anyone wanting Raymond.

Depending on what the isles want back, and from what I've heard and read it isn't high priced forwards, the Flames may be the best option for the isles. He won't get the same kind of return that Hamilton did and if he does, that works out better for the Flames because it means one of our direct rivals is over paying.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

Ya. maybe Wideman, Raymond and a 3rd will get it done.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

[Roof-Daddy]

Hamonic is a top pairing Dman on a pretty good Isles team, he's not the flavor of the month as some here are suggesting.

Sure he has garnered more attention due to his request for a trade, and especially because he has asked to be moved to western Canada specifically.

However, he is a Dman in that Alzner/Hjalmersson type mold. A bigger bodied Dman who is solid defensively but still mobile and can move the puck well, and chip in offensively from time to time. Not to mention he's the perfect age as well.

If you look at the Flames top 3 D, this is the type that they are missing and Hamonic would be a perfect fit. Hopefully Jokipakka can become that type of Dman, but only time will tell.

[Flames_F.T.W]

I'd LOVE to have Hamonic on the Flames, but certainly not at the expense of Hamilton. While they are different players, Hamilton's ceiling is significantly higher and he's still years away from his prime.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Hamonic is a top pairing Dman on a pretty good Isles team, he's not the flavor of the month as some here are suggesting.

Sure he has garnered more attention due to his request for a trade, and especially because he has asked to be moved to western Canada specifically.

However, he is a Dman in that Alzner/Hjalmersson type mold. A bigger bodied Dman who is solid defensively but still mobile and can move the puck well, and chip in offensively from time to time. Not to mention he's the perfect age as well.

If you look at the Flames top 3 D, this is the type that they are missing and Hamonic would be a perfect fit. Hopefully Jokipakka can become that type of Dman, but only time will tell.

This is how I view him as well. Maybe at the Boychuk level. Good player on a good contract.

[united]

Apologies if I missed this already, from Elliotte Friedman's 30 Thoughts:
8. Europeans to monitor: Word is Alexander Radulov’s representation is poking around, gauging interest. Everyone assumes Colorado, but there are more teams. I’m very curious to see what kind of commitment he gets.

Our right wing problems are solved!

[Demetric]

I do think Hamonic would be a good fit here, but I do not think he is worth any of the top 3 D (Gio, TJ or Hamilton) I just dont see us having anything that the Islanders would want in a package that we would be willing to give up.

[Poe969]

We'd only have to put together a better package than 3 other teams....I think they could do that.

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Stop embarrassing yourself.

Its humor. Stop embarrassing YOURself.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Hamonic is a top pairing Dman on a pretty good Isles team, he's not the flavor of the month as some here are suggesting.

Sure he has garnered more attention due to his request for a trade, and especially because he has asked to be moved to western Canada specifically.

However, he is a Dman in that Alzner/Hjalmersson type mold. A bigger bodied Dman who is solid defensively but still mobile and can move the puck well, and chip in offensively from time to time. Not to mention he's the perfect age as well.

If you look at the Flames top 3 D, this is the type that they are missing and Hamonic would be a perfect fit. Hopefully Jokipakka can become that type of Dman, but only time will tell.

I remember saying that last season the Flames are missing a big, mobile 2 way defenseman as a #3.

Then they picked up Hamilton who fits that bill perfectly. He has some warts defensively at times and a tough start, but had a great season overall and is only 22. Also noticed the last half of the season playing much more physically.

There is no need to give away assets to get Hamonic. Our D core is set. You could argue "never have too much of a good thing" but it actually might screw up the cap structure...already lots of $ committed to the blueline.

[Strange Brew]

I think some people are underrating Hamonic. Comparing to Jokipakka? He is top pairing on a good team. I get Hamilton's potential and that is a very big deal but he was the #5 defenseman on a very bad team this year.

I would not trade Hamilton straight up for Harmonic but I don't believe it is ridiculous. Hamonic is only three years older and I believe some people are still giving weight to where Hamilton was drafted.

A deal centered around Gio for Hamonic is interesting. If you don't believe the Flames will be Cup contenders for next 2 or 3 years, I don't know why you wouldn't consider it. But very unlikely to happen.