2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[ScorchyScorch]

Okay now, I want to enjoy a competitive team while I'm still young..(lol). So I'm fully in favour of making a move for a starter with a resume like a Bishop/Ward/Andersen. We need a stop gap guy for 2-3 years until Gillies, I'd consider than somewhat long term.

I honestly think this team AS IS (with some work coaching work on defence) could do great things with a goalie that can steal games and at least post league average numbers behind them.

Want nothing to do with Pavelec. Watched him enough and think Hiller is even slightly better than that guy.

[Demetric]

wow, fire sale this early into the season .... just wow lol

[Harry Lime]

The main problem with this team is that we are 2-3 years from contention. A new goalie isn't going to fix that. What is important for this year is that there is fight in every game. A successful season would be a continuous improvement in play from game 1 to game 82.

The only trades that I would like to see are ones involving players or assets that will be valuable in 2 years time. Trades that open up spots for young players to develop NHL experience. If we pick up a vet under any condition, it should be that they are a UFA.

Exactly like last year, if we are in contention for a playoff spot, that is just a fantastic extra, and has nothing to do with the long term building of this team. Being in the playoffs is a result of hard work, great coaching and improving second and third year players.

[IgiTang]

Ride Ramo and Ortio while having g this team learn to play solid in front of terrible goaltending.

Move the dead weight out throughout the year and pick up as many assets (prospects and picks) as you can. Keep giving Johnny and Bennett time together. Keep rotating guys out with Money and see who sticks.

Keep working on Colborne and his downlow play and speed through the middle.

Throughout moving players and come the spring, start bringing up guys that you feel will make the jump next season.

Find a starting G in the off season and rebuild your 3-6 dmen while finding someone to compliment Hamilton's game.

Get Brodie and Gio back together and allow them to salvage some numbers for themselves for confidence.

Don't push any panic buttons.

Regardless of not making the playoffs, squeaking in, or winning a round and done..
This team is still learning and them going through this now is not necessarily a bad thing when there are so.e goats rather than when the goats have been moved and your go to guys hit a rut like this.

Learning opportunity.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by ScorchyScorch

Okay now, I want to enjoy a competitive team while I'm still young..(lol). So I'm fully in favour of making a move for a starter with a resume like a Bishop/Ward/Andersen. We need a stop gap guy for 2-3 years until Gillies, I'd consider than somewhat long term.

I honestly think this team AS IS (with some work coaching work on defence) could do great things with a goalie that can steal games and at least post league average numbers behind them.

Want nothing to do with Pavelec. Watched him enough and think Hiller is even slightly better than that guy.

Ortio has taught me not to count chickens before eggs hatch.

I'm taking a wait and see approach to him and MacDonald.

IMO it would be better to see them seasoned in the AHL until they are 25-26 unless they are super dominant. So that likely means one or two stopgaps between now and then.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

I'm honestly curious why people think ortio is somehow a dud now. I think he can still be a great goalie. He has some things to work on but he is a rookie goalie. Not the easiest position to play in year one. Especially with the garbage our d have been pulling this season. Maybe he won't make it. Maybe he will. It's too early to know for sure.

I don't want us to make a move for a goalie. Rebuilding teams like us should only trade for younger goalies with small contracts and as of yet unfulfilled potential. I wouldn't want ward or bobrovski that's a scary thought.

We should stay the course. Sit tight. Let the team perform how they will. If we are out of the playoffs by the deadline we have an easy conversation with players like Hudler and wideman. If we can't fit them in let's move them for picks or prospects and call up players like kulak granlund and jankowski later on.

It's obviously not good to miss the playoffs but it may make some decisions and conversations a little bit easier. Not to mention I'd love us to move out the Raymonds and bolligs of this team and have the youngsters audition for a spot for next season

Let's just be patient Brad. Stay the course and gather assets that can become NHL players.

[Toonage]

Ortio is the real deal. My opinion of course. He's looked poor this year but in a small sample size, yet he looked spectacular in an equally small NHL sample size last year and very good in a larger AHL sample size.

I think someone else on this board said even Carey Price would look average behind this Flames team. They're right. No one they trade for would make a marked improvement until the defense figures things out.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

I'm honestly curious why people think ortio is somehow a dud now. I think he can still be a great goalie. He has some things to work on but he is a rookie goalie. Not the easiest position to play in year one. Especially with the garbage our d have been pulling this season. Maybe he won't make it. Maybe he will. It's too early to know for sure.

I don't want us to make a move for a goalie. Rebuilding teams like us should only trade for younger goalies with small contracts and as of yet unfulfilled potential. I wouldn't want ward or bobrovski that's a scary thought.

We should stay the course. Sit tight. Let the team perform how they will. If we are out of the playoffs by the deadline we have an easy conversation with players like Hudler and wideman. If we can't fit them in let's move them for picks or prospects and call up players like kulak granlund and jankowski later on.

It's obviously not good to miss the playoffs but it may make some decisions and conversations a little bit easier. Not to mention I'd love us to move out the Raymonds and bolligs of this team and have the youngsters audition for a spot for next season

Let's just be patient Brad. Stay the course and gather assets that can become NHL players.

Ortio was a notorious slow starter in the AHL also. I wouldn't write him off just yet.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The season is lost. Any moves made need to be about the future. Giving up any real assets for a stop-gap goalie would be blind folly.

And while the goaltending has been bad, what are the odds that Hiller and Ramo both became worse goalies in the same off-season, and that Ortio is already a complete bust? Seems a remarkable coincidence to me.

The Flames' team defence is awful. Bringing in another team's cast-off goalie will not turn things around. Bite the bullet, see what we have in Ortio while letting Gillies develop in the AHL, and let time run its course. Sign a veteran in the off-season if we have to. Panicking now will only make matters worse in the long run.

Have you seen the goals they're letting in? Floaters, fluffers, shots from outside with no traffic, completely losing net, horrible rebounds, etc.

You could make the same argument the other way - the Flames didn't just stop knowing how to play team defence.

[Vinny01]

I think a good goalie instantly can put this team back in the mix. I am not advocating trading top picks or prospects for a starting goalie but hopefully something is attempted to try and keep the season alive. This team is 2-3 years away from when guys like Monahan and Gaudreau should be hitting their scoring prime and hopefully contending for the Cup. I prefer they not get bogged down in a loser mentality which can seep in if they decide to give up when our goalies let in weak shot after weak shot. This team as built today should be able to compete with any team in the leagueband should not be a bottom feeder.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

Ortio was a notorious slow starter in the AHL also. I wouldn't write him off just yet.

We can't afford to wait for ortio to get going. We had a captain that took 20 games to find his groove and we were out of playoffs.

If Ortio isn't ready to go from game 1 he's not our guy. We need solid goaltending from game 1, not game 15-20.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by heep223

You could make the same argument the other way - the Flames didn't just stop knowing how to play team defence.

Well, they (specifically, Russell/Wideman) sort of did. Last year the system was "stand in front of the net a whole lot until the other team makes a mistake".

This year, especially since the Detroit game, the system is much more active. Higher-Risk, but Higher-Reward. It now more closely resembles what a team like the Blackhawks do in their end.

[hockey.modern]

Are the Calgary Flames still missing a bunch of pieces before they contend? I think so. Let's hope that some of our prospects can help fill in these roles. These are the pieces that I think are here to stay when we are ready for a run:

Gaudreau-Bennett-Frolik
Colborne-Monahan-X
Ferland-X-X
X-X-X

Brodie-Hamilton
Gio-X
X-X

X
X

[Money Baer]

Originally Posted by hockey.modern

Are the Calgary Flames still missing a bunch of pieces before they contend? I think so. Let's hope that some of our prospects can help fill in these roles. These are the pieces that I think are here to stay when we are ready for a run:

Gaudreau-Bennett-Frolik
Colborne-Monahan-X
Ferland-X-X
X-X-X

Brodie-Hamilton
Gio-X
X-X

X
X

Ideally (imo) I'd want colborne on the 3rd line and bring in another top 6 RW and LW.

[Jay Random]

I'd be satisfied to pencil Bouma in as the 4th line LW. That's one less spot to fill.

[Stanley]

I know this has been beaten to death, but I just don't know what the heck Mason Raymond is doing on this roster...what purpose does he serve? sniper? no. playmaker? no. grinder? no. 2-way player? no. agitater? no. special teams? no. like seriously...

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Stanley

I know this has been beaten to death, but I just don't know what the heck Mason Raymond is doing on this roster...what purpose does he serve? sniper? no. playmaker? no. grinder? no. 2-way player? no. agitater? no. special teams? no. like seriously...

His role is ‘Player under contract that we can't get rid of.’ Rumour saith that Burke is hiring Glen Sather as a consultant to coach Treliving in the art of magicking bad contracts out of existence. (See: Gomez, Scott.)

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by hockey.modern

Are the Calgary Flames still missing a bunch of pieces before they contend? I think so. Let's hope that some of our prospects can help fill in these roles. These are the pieces that I think are here to stay when we are ready for a run:

Gaudreau-Bennett-Frolik
Colborne-Monahan-X
Ferland-X-X
X-X-X

Brodie-Hamilton
Gio-X
X-X

X
X

I agree with this completely, and so it scares me when I realize how far away we actually are from a rock solid roster...especially in net.
Who knows what we actually have in the system for goal tending. It's so hard to judge that position.
Hopefully we can plug a few 2nd+ 3rd line spots with prospects.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by Stanley

I know this has been beaten to death, but I just don't know what the heck Mason Raymond is doing on this roster...what purpose does he serve? sniper? no. playmaker? no. grinder? no. 2-way player? no. agitater? no. special teams? no. like seriously...

He's so frustrating, because he has really good speed, and seems to be able to hold onto pucks in the offensive zone, but he just can't translate that into any actual offense. The play just eventually dies on his stick, or he turns it over.
If he had a better shot, or had better vision, he could be a useful player.
I'm 100% sure I've played with mid-division beer league players who have a harder shot.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by hockey.modern

Are the Calgary Flames still missing a bunch of pieces before they contend? I think so. Let's hope that some of our prospects can help fill in these roles. These are the pieces that I think are here to stay when we are ready for a run:

Gaudreau-Bennett-Frolik
Colborne-Monahan-X
Ferland-X-X
X-X-X

Brodie-Hamilton
Gio-X
X-X

X
X

I see it more like this:

Gaudreau-Bennett-X
X-Monahan-Frolik
Ferland-X-Colborne
Bouma-X-Jooris

Brodie-Hamilton
Gio-X
X-X

X
X

Frolik is not a top line RW as you have in your lineup. Up front we need another two legit top 6 wingers but we're not as far away as it seems. That is the biggest hurdle but not insurmountable. The best thing is that Bennett looks to be clearly showing he could be a top line C in this league, given a few years. Those 3 and 4 line C spots could possibly be filled by Jankowski and Arnold, and one of the top 6 wingers Poirier. It is possible if they continue to develop.

With Gaudreau, Bennett, Monahan, Brodie and Hamilton as the long term core, and some nice secondary pieces sprinkled through already, and some good prospect depth in most areas, I'm pretty optimistic.

As I've been saying the biggest problem right now and in the future is at the most important position. But we do have good prospects there.