The New American Politics thread

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

For brevity, says a lot of stuff

But not a single citation. If you're looking and finding I'm wrong you should easily be able to cite me into submission. Fact of the matter my interpretation is right, and there is nothing but history and case law on my side (Brown v. Board of Education; Loving v. Virginia; Obergfell v. Hodges; Zablocki v. Redhail; Turner v. Safely, and on and on and on). As societal norms change the constitution needs to change with it. Hence amendments, which alter the original constructs and correct the constitution to align with the matters in society that change.

You supposedly agree that the constitution is a living document, but you take an Originalism perspective in maintaining this belief that what was in the text at one point a hundred or two hundred years ago had the same means as it does today. This is a contradiction, something you so often like to point out in others. Now I can understand why you would run into this contradiction as so many people struggle with it down here. But if you truly believe that the constitution is a living document you must acknowledge that there was a time where things were racial segregation, as an example, was not only legal, but socially accepted/encouraged and constitutional. Only after a very controversial constitutional amendment, and then landmark cases like Brown v. Board of Education, was segregation deemed unconstitutional. Like seriously, how can you argue otherwise when the guys who drafted and ratified the constitution owned and sold slaves? This, as you like to say, is not logical.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

you take an Originalism perspective in maintaining this belief that what was in the text at one point a hundred or two hundred years ago had the same means as it does today.

I've never said that this is my position... because it's not. This is a straw man.

Fact of the matter my interpretation is right, and there is nothing but history and case law on my side (Brown v. Board of Education; Loving v. Virginia; Obergfell v. Hodges; Zablocki v. Redhail; Turner v. Safely, and on and on and on).

None of those cases stand for the proposition you're putting forward. Not even remotely.

The reason I'm not providing citations is because I'm not aware of any case, in the USA or otherwise, that's considered the position you're putting forward here. It's fundamentally opposed to the basic workings of the legal system as it pertains to constitutional JR. It wouldn't get to court.

I still think where you're getting caught up is missing the difference between a law being unconstitutional and being deemed unconstitutional.

[Vulcan]

About the no fly lists, The US is known to bully and harass political activists (even pacifists) and reporters by putting them either on the no fly list (which has some tens of thousands of names) or simply on "the list" which is kept by TSA and is even bigger and even less openly talked about.

This from 1991 when Canadian author Farley Mowat was taken off the US no entry black list.

http://www.cbc.ca/player/play/2455019465

[HarryH93]

Originally Posted by T@T

Most think it's wrong but Trump is just spreading what a lot of americans feel, In case you have just crawled from under a rock I'll let you in a secret, Non believers of radical Islam are under attack across the world!

I'm guessing by your posts you or at least your family are muslim and you feel you have to defend but the real filth is the percentage of muslims who hate everything about western civilization yet a lot still live here. how about you/your family stand up at your mosque and denounce groups like ISIS, defend woman's rights and thank your lucky stars you live in a truly free country where all you really have to worry about is how much taxes you pay.

The best way to stop idiots like Trump is to prove them wrong not to try and bash them. Like they say "don't feed a troll"

Jesus, you're a real piece of work. Get your head out of your ass, he doesn't have to do ####. You just love spewing hatred on here hey?

And who are you to decide what "the real filth" is? Just because there are Muslims that hate the West that doesn't make what's going on in the US re DT any less excusable. You continue to show that disgusting "some of them hate us so I'm going to hate all of them" mentality. Grow the #### up.

Telling people on here to go advocate against ISIS and for women's rights in a mosque? Then what? Let's say he did that. Will it make you sleep better at night, knowing a Muslim guy on CP is supposedly doing his part stopping ISIS?

But hey, like you said, "don't feed a troll," so I'll stop.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

None of those cases stand for the proposition you're putting forward. Not even remotely.

You're right, landmark cases that were a result of changes in culture, challenging long established and held constitutional views. Again, the guys who framed the damn document were slave owners! Context matters and changes what is constitutional. History, law and the constitution itself is on my side and continues to be on my side. But lets agree to disagree and move on.

Just out of curiosity, what is your legal specialty?

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

T@T, my family and I are pretty secular. More so, I consider myself an atheist. We haven't stepped inside a mosque since we've been in Canada, none of us prayer 5 times a day (I don't even know how to), and no one in my family wears a hijab. Learning the language and culture was more important to my family than religion.

Fair enough. I just knew your arguments leaned the islam way(and I don't mean that in a bad sense) For your family to step away from religion I suspect they are Shia, because very few Sunni can step away without consequences.

Originally Posted by Iggy City

I'm just a normal guy like yourself, but that doesn't mean I don't sympathize for those who practice Islam in the US and the #### they must be going to through in the Trump-supported states.

You talk about standing up to Islamic radicalism...well what about the radicalism that Trump is spreading openly?

I believe that has a huge potential to be even more dangerous than Islamic radicalism, simply because it's encouraged by a top ranking politician in the western world.

Trump has a long way to go to turn his followers into radical freaks that would blow themselves up in order to kill muslims, I think Trump is a joke as much as the next guy but he's certainly not pounding his fists saying kill the muslims either. and he's bashed the mexicans just as much as people from the muslim faith.

Originally Posted by Iggy City

I also don't think the majority of Americans support Trump, just like the majority of Muslims don't support radicalism.

Recent polls from around the world say 20-30% of Muslims support radical jihad, no rights for woman and stoning them for adultery, execution for being gay,sorcery(what is that?) leaving Islam, and many other very barbaric things.

That equates to between 340 and 510 million people around the world that hate you and I. They see our way of life as an attack on Islam and are willing to die to defend it. Like it or not the western world cannot change this, Islam itself has to change and moderate Muslims have to lead it's change.

Originally Posted by Iggy City

I can't even imagine what would happen if he 'won'. Here's to hoping be gets crushed and crawls back under the rock he came from.

Don't worry, he won't win and he'll crawl back under his many "rocks" he owns.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by T@T

Trump has a long way to go to turn his followers into radical freaks that would blow themselves up in order to kill muslims, I think Trump is a joke as much as the next guy but he's certainly not pounding his fists saying kill the muslims either. and he's bashed the mexicans just as much as people from the muslim faith.

Oh. That's better then.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by HarryH93

Jesus, you're a real piece of work. Get your head out of your ass, he doesn't have to do ####. You just love spewing hatred on here hey?

And who are you to decide what "the real filth" is? Just because there are Muslims that hate the West that doesn't make what's going on in the US re DT any less excusable. You continue to show that disgusting "some of them hate us so I'm going to hate all of them" mentality. Grow the #### up.

Telling people on here to go advocate against ISIS and for women's rights in a mosque? Then what? Let's say he did that. Will it make you sleep better at night, knowing a Muslim guy on CP is supposedly doing his part stopping ISIS?

But hey, like you said, "don't feed a troll," so I'll stop.

Somehow I missed the garbage post

Since my hearing is impaired because I have my head up my ass please shout it out and tell me how to change the radical idealism that 300-500 million muslims have around the world that makes them hate the western way.

Again, I feel that moderate Muslims are the only people on the planet that can change these freaks, but I'm all crappy ears waiting for your idea.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by HarryH93

Jesus, you're a real piece of work. Get your head out of your ass, he doesn't have to do ####. You just love spewing hatred on here hey?

And who are you to decide what "the real filth" is? Just because there are Muslims that hate the West that doesn't make what's going on in the US re DT any less excusable. You continue to show that disgusting "some of them hate us so I'm going to hate all of them" mentality. Grow the #### up.

Telling people on here to go advocate against ISIS and for women's rights in a mosque? Then what? Let's say he did that. Will it make you sleep better at night, knowing a Muslim guy on CP is supposedly doing his part stopping ISIS?

But hey, like you said, "don't feed a troll," so I'll stop.

Somehow I missed this garbage post

Since my hearing is impaired because I have my head up my ass please shout it out and tell me how to change the radical idealism that 300-500 million muslims have around the world that makes them hate the western way.

Again, I feel that moderate Muslims are the only people on the planet that can change these freaks, but I'm all crappy ears waiting for your idea.

[Kavvy]

Originally Posted by T@T

Somehow I missed this garbage post

Since my hearing is impaired because I have my head up my ass please shout it out and tell me how to change the radical idealism that 300-500 million muslims have around the world that makes them hate the western way.

Again, I feel that moderate Muslims are the only people on the planet that can change these freaks, but I'm all crappy ears waiting for your idea.

You are spewing misguided points, and dehumanizing an entire group of people. When you do this, it makes it easy for rational people to demonize them with misguided fear and hate.

An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims.

I won't post a link, as when I googled "what percentage of terrorists are Muslims, I found multiple sites with similar states.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by New Era

History, law and the constitution itself is on my side and continues to be on my side. But lets agree to disagree and move on.

Just out of curiosity, what is your legal specialty?

Hahaha, okay, sure... anyway, yes, agree to disagree. I'm a litigator. General corporate commercial.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Kavvy

You are spewing misguided points, and dehumanizing an entire group of people. When you do this, it makes it easy for rational people to demonize them with misguided fear and hate.

I won't post a link, as when I googled "what percentage of terrorists are Muslims, I found multiple sites with similar states.

Are you seriously posting numbers that ended in 2005? And this isn't just about the the USA.

Are you suggesting terrorism by jihadist's isn't a problem? These maniacs are not only dividing the planet's views on each other they are also displacing 100's of thousands of people from their homes and starving people to death.

How about post numbers on "worldwide" terrorism in the last 10 years and get back to me.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by T@T

Are you seriously posting numbers that ended in 2005? And this isn't just about the the USA.

Are you suggesting terrorism by jihadist's isn't a problem? These maniacs are not only dividing the planet's views on each other they are also displacing 100's of thousands of people from their homes and starving people to death.

How about post numbers on "worldwide" terrorism in the last 10 years and get back to me.

You realize you're helping them with this, right?

[Coach]

You'll find few people who find all religion as ridiculous as I do.

I guess I'm just missing the part where hating all Muslims helps anything.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by MattyC

You'll find few people who find all religion as ridiculous as I do.

I guess I'm just missing the part where hating all Muslims helps anything.

Your talking like Muslims are a race, it isn't. But question? who hates all Muslims? Even Trump doesn't.

[HarryH93]

Originally Posted by T@T

Somehow I missed this garbage post

Since my hearing is impaired because I have my head up my ass please shout it out and tell me how to change the radical idealism that 300-500 million muslims have around the world that makes them hate the western way.

Again, I feel that moderate Muslims are the only people on the planet that can change these freaks, but I'm all crappy ears waiting for your idea.

I bet somebody like you couldn't identify a moderate Muslim if your life depended on it.

I'm pretty sure bitching at Muslims on a forum for voicing their concerns over a growing anti-Muslim rhetoric in the US is going to do wonders. Maybe those cartoons will help too.

You seem to think that only one problem should be addressed and nothing else. "Who gives a #### about the Muslims who have done absolutely nothing wrong yet continue to feel uneasy and alienated in the US, don't you know there are 300-500 million Muslims around the world that hate you?!?! This could have been avoided if those darn moderate Muslims just spoke up, it's their own fault." Damn, you'd fit right in with the Donald Trump gang.

Keep going t@t, you're making the world a much better place one typo and error-filled post at a time. Kudos to you friend.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by HarryH93

I bet somebody like you couldn't identify a moderate Muslim if your life depended on it.

I'm pretty sure bitching at Muslims on a forum for voicing their concerns over a growing anti-Muslim rhetoric in the US is going to do wonders. Maybe those cartoons will help too.

You seem to think that only one problem should be addressed and nothing else. "Who gives a #### about the Muslims who have done absolutely nothing wrong yet continue to feel uneasy and alienated in the US, don't you know there are 300-500 million Muslims around the world that hate you?!?! This could have been avoided if those darn moderate Muslims just spoke up, it's their own fault." Damn, you'd fit right in with the Donald Trump gang.

Keep going t@t, you're making the world a much better place one typo and error-filled post at a time. Kudos to you friend.

Just as I thought, you had no answer to my question, people like you like to spew a bunch of crap but can't back it up....go back to sleep!

[MRCboicgy]

Can we steer this ship back on topic?

[Hemi-Cuda]

Clinton's lead over Bernie Sanders is all but gone, the guy who could "never win" pulled within the polling margin of error nationally on Hillary

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editor...-democrats.htm

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Clinton's lead over Bernie Sanders is all but gone, the guy who could "never win" pulled within the polling margin of error nationally on Hillary

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editor...-democrats.htm

Rightly or wrongly the release of this Michael Bay Benghazi film will probably hurt her as well.