06-29-2025, 08:20 AM
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#2681
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by kyuss275
The other problem now is he knows for the moment that Vegas will do an extension with him. If the other couple teams he is interested in aren’t interested, he has no reason to sign an extension with anybody but Vegas. It’s not Andersons problem about the return the flames will get .
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Yeah, but then he is really trusting the Flames won’t screw him. The ruthless thing for them to do would be to tell him to get ready to sign with a team in the summer or they are walking him to UFA.
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06-29-2025, 08:21 AM
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#2682
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Royle9
I mean, I’ve said all along that Anderssons value is only there if he resigns with the team that acquires him.
Lots of people kept saying “Buffalo” and Buffalo does have interest, lots of interest but Rasmus isn’t extending there, he wants to compete.
VGK took a run, Rasmus would extend but their offer wasn’t enough they’ve got little to offer in futures.
SJ took a run, wouldn’t offer what CGY wanted initially then it got close but Andersson wouldn’t commit long term.
I was told CAR took a run too, but value wasn’t enough at this time
Teams are trying to leverage a trade without extension to get him cheaper and then try to extend on their own.
Still believe this gets done before the season, there’s just no sense to let this drag on and diminish the value
I personally feel like perhaps Andersson is playing hardball now and trying to have a good season with CGY to maximize his own pay day. But that’s just what’s going through my head based on how this weekend played out.
There was tons of interest but nothing done.
But those 32 thoughts essentially lineup with what I’ve been saying for a while now so that’s a plus.
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This makes it incumbent on Conroy now to circle back with teams Andersson will extend with and hammer out better trade deals. Because you're right, "...this gets done before the season, there’s just no sense to let this drag on and diminish the value" Being patient is not the way now. Keep looping back with these teams and hammer them for a better return.
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06-29-2025, 08:22 AM
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#2683
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flambers
Teams are not going to provide a big return for a 1 year rental,
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Depends on your definition of big, I suppose. The Dobson deal is the absolute upper limit of what we could've reasonably hope for, I think. Will we get less? Yes, probably. We'll we only get a second for him? No.
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06-29-2025, 08:25 AM
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#2684
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by iloveicedhockey
Depends on your definition of big, I suppose. The Dobson deal is the absolute upper limit of what we could've reasonably hope for, I think. Will we get less? Yes, probably. We'll we only get a second for him? No.
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I was just hoping for a better return than Hanifin. Longer it drags the less likely that is.
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06-29-2025, 08:33 AM
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#2685
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#1 Goaltender
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2026 1st round pick (top 10 protected)
2026 2nd round pick
B-level prospect
That’s what Andersson should easily return at TDL. So, accounting for the acquiring team getting him for a full season instead of the last quarter of a season:
2026 1st round pick (top 10 protected)
2026 2nd round pick
2027 2nd round pick
B-level prospect
3rd-line NHLer (<25 years old)
Is that an unreasonable ask? It’s comparable in value to the Dobson IMO. And, keep in mind, the Islanders were highly motivated to trade Dobson at that draft because they were really trying to put a package together to get another pick in the top 10 for a shot at Hagens.
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06-29-2025, 08:40 AM
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#2686
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Rhett44
Enough with the no trade clauses. This organization has given them out like candy in the past and we need to stop.
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Ok then be prepared to pay a lot more for players
They aren’t given out
They are a key part of negotiations
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06-29-2025, 08:42 AM
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#2687
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhett44
Enough with the no trade clauses. This organization has given them out like candy in the past and we need to stop.
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Do you not see the value NTC’s have for players?
If you think the Flames could ice a competitive team without them, good luck. Players would either ask for a lot more money, or they don’t sign. Pick your poison. Good players earn NTC’s, they’re not ‘handed out like candy’. Teams who don’t hand them out lose players for nothing (Alex Pietriangelo and St.Louis), both cardinal sin for GM’s in the eyes of some fans. Probably the same ones who complain about NTC’s. There’s a pattern there, btw.
The Flames, who are probably a mid-low tier in terms of attractiveness, don’t have much of a choice here if they want to avoid becoming the Montreal Expos and find them themselves as a glorified AHL team developing players only to lose them and never being able to sign a UFA of quality.
Last edited by TOfan; 06-29-2025 at 08:47 AM.
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06-29-2025, 08:47 AM
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#2688
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by stemit14
2026 1st round pick (top 10 protected)
2026 2nd round pick
B-level prospect
That’s what Andersson should easily return at TDL. So, accounting for the acquiring team getting him for a full season instead of the last quarter of a season:
2026 1st round pick (top 10 protected)
2026 2nd round pick
2027 2nd round pick
B-level prospect
3rd-line NHLer (<25 years old)
Is that an unreasonable ask? It’s comparable in value to the Dobson IMO. And, keep in mind, the Islanders were highly motivated to trade Dobson at that draft because they were really trying to put a package together to get another pick in the top 10 for a shot at Hagens.
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Zero chance you are getting that at deadline. Expect late first and B prospect.
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06-29-2025, 08:48 AM
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#2689
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kyuss275
The other problem now is he knows for the moment that Vegas will do an extension with him. If the other couple teams he is interested in aren’t interested, he has no reason to sign an extension with anybody but Vegas. It’s not Andersons problem about the return the flames will get .
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It's also not the Flames problem where he spends this season and if he gets an eight year deal or a six year one. Leverage on both sides.
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06-29-2025, 08:50 AM
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#2690
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonded
I was just hoping for a better return than Hanifin. Longer it drags the less likely that is.
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It'll likely be around that, with hopefully a better prospect/player in place of miromanov
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06-29-2025, 08:51 AM
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#2691
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by stemit14
2026 1st round pick (top 10 protected)
2026 2nd round pick
B-level prospect
That’s what Andersson should easily return at TDL. So, accounting for the acquiring team getting him for a full season instead of the last quarter of a season:
2026 1st round pick (top 10 protected)
2026 2nd round pick
2027 2nd round pick
B-level prospect
3rd-line NHLer (<25 years old)
Is that an unreasonable ask? It’s comparable in value to the Dobson IMO. And, keep in mind, the Islanders were highly motivated to trade Dobson at that draft because they were really trying to put a package together to get another pick in the top 10 for a shot at Hagens.
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Dobson holds significantly more value than Andersson.
4 years younger, better player, better recent performance, bigger.
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06-29-2025, 08:56 AM
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#2692
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ComixZone
Dobson holds significantly more value than Andersson.
4 years younger, better player, better recent performance, bigger.
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I'm guessing you haven't watched Dobson play much. He's younger and might put up more points but his GAS meter is very low at times. Where a player like Ras is the opposite and has a high GAS meter. I'm not saying Ras is worth more, but if I'm a team looking to win the cup, I know who I'd rather have.
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06-29-2025, 08:58 AM
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#2693
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Lifetime Suspension
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Makes sense if the price is high that teams want him extended. It’s his choice to sign as well. I find it hard to believe he would sign with Carolina or Buffalo. Vegas I bet he would but they have nothing.
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06-29-2025, 09:01 AM
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#2694
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
Makes sense if the price is high that teams want him extended. It’s his choice to sign as well. I find it hard to believe he would sign with Carolina or Buffalo. Vegas I bet he would but they have nothing.
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Carolina? They’d be at the top of his list I would imagine. Perennial contenders. Lower tax state (I believe).
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06-29-2025, 09:04 AM
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#2695
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by The Original FFIV
Carolina? They’d be at the top of his list I would imagine. Perennial contenders. Lower tax state (I believe).
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We hear stories about how the are strange lol. Seems like they have a hard time keeping players or attracting them.
I don’t blame Andersson here it’s his choice you only get free agency once for a good portion of these guys.
I do wonder if his thinking changes though. He could potentially go from an 8 year deal to 6.
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06-29-2025, 09:06 AM
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#2696
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Jiggy
I'm guessing you haven't watched Dobson play much. He's younger and might put up more points but his GAS meter is very low at times. Where a player like Ras is the opposite and has a high GAS meter. I'm not saying Ras is worth more, but if I'm a team looking to win the cup, I know who I'd rather have.
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Dobson:
24/25 - 71GP, 10G, 29A, 39PTS, -16
23/24 - 79GP, 10G, 60A, 70PTS, +12
22/23 - 78GP, 13G, 36A, 49PTS, +4
6’04”
25 Years Old
Andersson:
24/25 - 81GP, 11G, 20A, 31PTS, -38
23/24 - 78GP, 9G, 30A, 39PTS, -11
22/23 - 79GP, 11G, 38A, 49PTS, +5
6’0”
28 Years Old
That’s a pretty hard story to tell that Andersson > Dobson due to GAS. I think you’re overvaluing Andersson.
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06-29-2025, 09:06 AM
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#2697
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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The issue with Carolina is they want to sign guys, and have a good team, but ownership doesn't want to overpay. So they are generally not paying that UFA premium.
Doubt they'd give Andersson the contract he's looking for.
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06-29-2025, 09:09 AM
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#2698
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
The issue with Carolina is they want to sign guys, and have a good team, but ownership doesn't want to overpay. So they are generally not paying that UFA premium.
Doubt they'd give Andersson the contract he's looking for.
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My concern is his ask might be out of whack. When they said not even close with us and his camp, do other teams feel the same as us.
I personally don’t believe he gets 8.5 plus in the open market.
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06-29-2025, 09:15 AM
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#2700
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by traptor
This is why the Flames should start getting ahead of these deals.
We could of traded rasmus retained with 2-3 years left on his deal and got a haul.
Now is the time to start exploring deals for guys like coleman, with a little term left.
Why do we always have to be so reactive instead of being strategic.
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I think what you mean to say is that every player should have a price tag, always. You adjust it based on performance, age, contract status, whatever but the GM should always be willing to improve the team. Saying players like Wolf and Parekh are off limits is crazy - we are not that good and neither are they. For example, if SJS offers Smith and their 2026 1st for either of those players you probably take it.
So when a rival calls at any point in his contract and says we want Ras, you should be able to say give me X, Y and Z and we have a deal. GM can reply to press rumours by saying, 'As a team, we are not where we want to be so I'll consider anything that makes the team better. Ras is a good player, teams call about him all the time. Doesn't mean we are actively shopping him. These athletes are professionals, this sort of stuff does not affect them in negative way. If anything it shows that they are being noticed and that others teams think he will improve their chances. Right now we feel the same way.'
So in that regard I agree. But you can't shop every player as soon as they pop and have a good year, that's just dumb.
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