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The Cobra · 10-13-2020, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JTech780

It's a simplistic take on it, but as long as we get as close to the cap as possible, then put Dubinsky on LTIR, we can over the cap by his $5.85. Now I could be mistaken on this part but we would have to use that amount in one transaction, I don't think we could do multiple transactions to go over the cap. So if we signed Hoffman to a 1 year $5.5m deal like mentioned in insider trading we could do that.

The problem being that we would have trouble with injury replacements and adding at the deadline would be pretty much out of the question.

The Flames right now are basically at the max cap assuming you count the signing of their current players.

They sign Dubinsky and put him on LTIR, they would be allowed to be over their cap by the amount of his cap, which gives the, zero room to sign anyone.

If they were $1M under the cap at the time they add Dubinsky, they would still have zero room now.

You don’t seem to realize that Dubinsky’s cap goes against the cap.

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Calgary4LIfe · 10-13-2020, 07:09 PM

I think the Flames just sign an another depth defencemen, and let Petrovic and that next defencemen battle it out for the 7th D.

Kylington absolutely needs playing time to develop. I thought he was fairly solid for the most part throughout last season, with the exception of two very bad games in a row. He isn't going to improve by watching from the pressbox and practicing any more.

It really does make the most sense to run:

Giordano - Tanev - shutdown pair against the best lines
Hanifin - Andersson - they were good together, and another season to improve
Valimaki - Kylington - the pair that you shelter, but far from garbage either. They will get better as the season gets closer to playoffs.

I get Treliving wanting to pair Tanev with a younger guy, but when you mix it all up, I think it becomes more difficult to line-match and stay effective. Maybe it will work out - it isn't like I don't see the logic behind it, but I do think running the pairs as above allows for the Flames to be able to line-match more effectively, while also allowing for improvement.

Kylington really needs a push I think. If he doesn't get it this year, then what's the point of keeping him in the organization then? Either play him, or trade him and sign another depth guy. If he fails and continues to fail, switch him with the 7th D for a stretch, let him re-focus, and if it happens again then at least you know he he isn't going to work out here, and you cut bait one way or the other.

For the rest of the line-up, I am good with it (assuming re-signing Mangiapane and Kylington). I assume there will be at least one (if not more) depth signings for the 4th line (like it or not, Reider + Jankowski were part of a decent 4th line and were key components of the Flames' PK). Hopefully the signings come in the way of PK specialists to replace that skill-set. I want Backlund and Lindholm off the PK - not because they aren't effective at it (they are effective!), but I would rather they use their minutes more effectively while they are on, particularly Backlund as he draws the tough assignments, and if he gets too tired, I imagine it gives the opposition a bit of an edge.

Who around the league is available that is cheap, fast and experienced on the PK? That's who I would target, and at least 1 if not 2 of those.

Harry Lime · 10-13-2020, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The problem with having Gio and Kylington together is that Kylington can't handle tough opponent minutes, so if Gio is his partner, Gio isn't handling them either.

That means Hanifin - Andersson have to, which I also think isn't ideal

Where does this idea that Kylington can't handle anything but sheltered minutes come from? He got stronger as his rookie year went on, and he spent the entire season ignoring offense (his calling card) in favour of taking serious strides on the defensive side of the game.

We can't have Valimaki anointed as the second coming before he starts his rookie season and write off Kylington, when he has already worked through a lot the first year growing pains. Moving Kylington to his natural side and pairing with Giordano seems like a recipe for long term success.

GreenLantern2814 · 10-13-2020, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Where does this idea that Kylington can't handle anything but sheltered minutes come from? He got stronger as his rookie year went on, and he spent the entire season ignoring offense (his calling card) in favour of taking serious strides on the defensive side of the game.

We can't have Valimaki anointed as the second coming before he starts his rookie season and write off Kylington, when he has already worked through a lot the first year growing pains. Moving Kylington to his natural side and pairing with Giordano seems like a recipe for long term success.

If anyone is a candidate to be able to lead the rush up the ice, buzz the opposing net and still be the first man back, it’s Kylington.

bubbsy · 10-13-2020, 07:19 PM

Unless treliving has a plan on driving the offence outside of gaudreau/monahan, it sure feels like the team is about 2 years away from rebuild territory.

Knowing that, and signing 2 x 30+ old players to 4 & 6 year deals sure seems interesting to me.

Treliving has gotta have some potential deals to change up the flames top 6 forward group...

SuperMatt18 · 10-13-2020, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Eww.

I'd rather offer sheet Cirelli or Barzal.

Of course, we don't have the cap space to offer sheet any one.

If we were going to offer sheet anyone it should have been Cernak.

Should have given him 4 x $4.3M instead of Tanev.

Tampa Bay likely can’t match with Cirelli and Sergachev as RFA too, and would only cost a 2nd.

Bonded · 10-13-2020, 07:24 PM

Although if I was Sergachev I would wait too see what Tampa figures out before signing an offer sheet

AC · 10-13-2020, 07:27 PM

Cirelli would be a huge steal at the right offersheet.

Given his 4th place Selke finish already at age 23... he'd be worth moving a player out to accommodate (Ryan would be ideal).

JTech780 · 10-13-2020, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Cobra

The Flames right now are basically at the max cap assuming you count the signing of their current players.

They sign Dubinsky and put him on LTIR, they would be allowed to be over their cap by the amount of his cap, which gives the, zero room to sign anyone.

If they were $1M under the cap at the time they add Dubinsky, they would still have zero room now.

You don’t seem to realize that Dubinsky’s cap goes against the cap.

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Ok I see where I went wrong.

Canada 02 · 10-13-2020, 07:35 PM

Can Kylington play the right side? He is no higher than 4th on the left side depth chart. I think he gets moved for a similar age righty blue liner

Harry Lime · 10-13-2020, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Canada 02

Can Kylington play the right side? He is no higher than 4th on the left side depth chart. I think he gets moved for a similar age righty blue liner

Has played the right side his whole life until he got to Stockton.

dammage79 · 10-13-2020, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Canada 02

Can Kylington play the right side? He is no higher than 4th on the left side depth chart. I think he gets moved for a similar age righty blue liner

Has his whole.life except when he came over , then they switched him to the left.

DoubleK · 10-13-2020, 08:23 PM

Tre needs to be going hard at Vatanen.

dino7c · 10-13-2020, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

If we were going to offer sheet anyone it should have been Cernak.

Should have given him 4 x $4.3M instead of Tanev.

Tampa Bay likely can’t match with Cirelli and Sergachev as RFA too, and would only cost a 2nd.

Thing is he would have to sign the offer sheet...why would he force his way out of Tampa?

should have done this or that when there is a very good chance it wasn't a possibility at all

DoubleK · 10-13-2020, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Has played the right side his whole life until he got to Stockton.

He also never played pro before he got to Stockton.

Playing depth D men on the offwing is asking for trouble.

TheScorpion · 10-13-2020, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DoubleK

He also never played pro before he got to Stockton.

Playing depth D men on the offwing is asking for trouble.

not true, he played two seasons in the SHL before he arrived in Stockton

DoubleK · 10-13-2020, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TheScorpion

not true, he played two seasons in the SHL before he arrived in Stockton

NA pro then. Playing the off wing is very different on a NA sheet.

TheScorpion · 10-13-2020, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DoubleK

NA pro then. Playing the off wing is very different on a NA sheet.

Granted. Still I don't think there's any harm in letting him try it out, it's not like he's really blocking any blue-chippers at RD.

GioforPM · 10-13-2020, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DoubleK

NA pro then. Playing the off wing is very different on a NA sheet.

Size of the ice probably makes wrong hand defence a little easier - a little more tome to pick up pucks off the boards, etc.

Moneyhands23 · 10-13-2020, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Canada 02

Can Kylington play the right side? He is no higher than 4th on the left side depth chart. I think he gets moved for a similar age righty blue liner

Yes, he prefers it