Explosion at the Boston Marathon

[Locke]

Originally Posted by jeffporfirio

I don't understand this.

These are the cases where Guatanamo or a prison in Barrow AK (71 Lat North) should be used.
Tiny little concrete cell, in scorching +40 heat and 100% humidity, or -50C.

Death penalty, means martyrdom for these idiots.

You mean the Baffin Island Minimum Security Prison and Polar Bear Preserve?

[CampbellsTransgressions]

If he wanted to die so badly, he would have done it himself 2 years ago.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Locke

You mean the Baffin Island Minimum Security Prison and Polar Bear Preserve?

Support the polar bear population!

[blankall]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

If he wanted martyrdom though. he wouldn't have been trying to weasel out the death penalty. I don't think he is welcoming it by any means.

He also had plenty of opportunities to off himself or go down in a blaze of glory in the escape. He has fought pretty hard to keep himself alive.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by nik-

Life would have been better. Don't make this ####### a martyr.

Have females administer the death drugs...no paradise for you Tsarnaev!

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Support the polar bear population!

Exactly give him a spoon and drip him off at the nearest polar bear den.

[Schultzie]

Originally Posted by jeffporfirio

These are the cases where Guatanamo or a prison in Barrow AK (71 Lat North) should be used.
Tiny little concrete cell, in scorching +40 heat and 100% humidity, or -50C.

I'm going to have to disagree with you there.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

However in the long run this is better for the taxpayer and still sends a message.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphi...death-penalty/

Death penalty cases are, from start to finish, more expensive than other criminal cases including those that result in life without parole.

Maybe not, it's debatable. Depending on circumstances, death penalties can end up costing more than life in prison. Especially when you deal with a decade+ of appeals.

A couple articles discussing it:

http://www.wpxi.com/news/news/nation...ath-row/nmGhC/

According to CNN, the Supermax costs approximately $32,000 a year, per prisoner. Tsarnaev is only 21 years old. Assuming he lives to be at least 78, the current average life expectancy, that's 57 years in prison. So it comes to $1.824 million to incarcerate Tsarnaev for life and that doesn't even account for inflation.

http://www.golocalprov.com/news/nguy...e-imprisonment

That’s a little over $3.3 million for scenario 1 [Life in prison]
...
Scenario 2 [Death sentence] is a little over $2.9 million.
...
Scenario 3 [Death penalty never an option] is approximately $1.63 million.

[AcGold]

Such widespread hatred always alarms me. Even when somebody has done something very bad such concentrated group vitriol is disturbing. Wishing pain and suffering upon a person just seems wrong even if he did harm other people.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Such widespread hatred always alarms me. Even when somebody has done something very bad such concentrated group vitriol is disturbing. Wishing pain and suffering upon a person just seems wrong even if he did harm other people.

Humanity in a nutshell my friend

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Such widespread hatred always alarms me. Even when somebody has done something very bad such concentrated group vitriol is disturbing. Wishing pain and suffering upon a person just seems wrong even if he did harm other people.

Yeah, it's one awkward human trait that always rears it's head. People can say it's only in extreme cases like this, but even on CP you see the "revenge" feelings pop up in even smaller, local cases of a person doing wrong.

People crave revenge, it's a little disturbing.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Such widespread hatred always alarms me. Even when somebody has done something very bad such concentrated group vitriol is disturbing. Wishing pain and suffering upon a person just seems wrong even if he did harm other people.

So you are concerned about how other people feel angry about someone who murdered people? No kidding they wish pain and suffering on the guy.

I don't care if the guy is locked up for good or executed, other people made that decision, and I support that. But if someone feels better via speaking openly like that, it is good. I am fairly sure if they were on a jury they may see things in a different light.

As it is, I am not alarmed in any way shape or form. I am more alarmed by your alarm, if that makes sense!

[metallicat]

The USA needs to get with this century. Seriously. Lose the death penalty already.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

So you are concerned about how other people feel angry about someone who murdered people? No kidding they wish pain and suffering on the guy.

I don't care if the guy is locked up for good or executed, other people made that decision, and I support that. But if someone feels better via speaking openly like that, it is good. I am fairly sure if they were on a jury they may see things in a different light.

As it is, I am not alarmed in any way shape or form. I am more alarmed by your alarm, if that makes sense!

You miss the point as we have very different moral stances. I never said concerned, I said disturbed and alarmed. The point is it's wrong to wish pain and suffering upon someone no matter the circumstances, I disagree that it's good to speak openly with hatred and malice. It tends to create cyclical violence and magnifies the divisions between different groups within society. But hey, go ahead with your violence fantasies, continue that negative energy.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by AcGold

You miss the point as we have very different moral stances. I never said concerned, I said disturbed and alarmed. The point is it's wrong to wish pain and suffering upon someone no matter the circumstances, I disagree that it's good to speak openly with hatred and malice. It tends to create cyclical violence and magnifies the divisions between different groups within society. But hey, go ahead with your violence fantasies, continue that negative energy.

I didn't miss your point, you are disturbed. You made that very clear. I modified it to 'concerned' since I was not sure you understood the real meaning of the word disturbed, but if you insist, fine.

It is not wrong to wish pain and suffering 'no matter the circumstances'. In fact, it is rather fine, given circumstances.

You want people to muzzle their thoughts, in particular in a time of mourning or remembrance?

So the Boston bombing was our fault? If there is a repeat it is because people were angry and said mean things? You want us to assimilate with terrorists?

I have no idea what your angle is (is there a bleeding heart agenda I can read?), and I certainly do not have violent fantasies, but let us make this very clear, if someone does not agree with you, it does not make them violent or negative, or wrong. They simply disagree.

[Dion]

Why the Jury Chose Death for Tsarnaev, Despite Massachusetts’ Desire for Mercy

Tsarnaev’s death sentence comes against the wishes of most of Massachusetts. Less than half of the state supports the death penalty for Tsarnaev or anyone else, polls show—and opposition to executing him actually grew during the trial. Many Bostonians felt the city could heal and move on with a simple guilty verdict and eternity in prison. Bill and Denise Richard, parents of Tsarnaev’s 8-year-old victim, Martin Richard, felt that way (a fact the jurors didn’t know).

But because terrorism—killing with a weapon of mass destruction—is a federal crime, Massachusetts did not get to say, “don’t kill for me.” A capital-punishment jury has to be “death-qualified,” so all the jurors came from the minority in Eastern Massachusetts who are open to the death penalty.

Death-penalty supporters will say that after all the jurors heard, we should defer to their judgment. Opponents will say their ordeal wasn’t necessary, that a plea agreement sparing Tsarnaev’s life would’ve given Boston a more lasting, peaceful closure. Instead, Americans’ support for the death penalty, and the nation’s politics of crime and the war on terror, trumped most Bostonians’ desire to end the story of the bombings without more death. But whether Tsarnaev is executed in prison years from now or he’s spared on appeal, the trial’s end means Boston can finally move on without him.

http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/b...-for-tsarnaev/

Less than 20% of Mass. residents support execution

“It seems that voters have concluded that Tsarnaev does not deserve a quick death, but rather should spend the remainder of his days in a windowless cell contemplating the heinous acts that put him there,” said Frank Perullo, president of Sage Systems LLC, which conducted the poll. “To voters, it would seem death is too easy an escape.”

In Boston, support for the death penalty has dwindled even further: Only a quarter believe it is ever appropriate, and just 15 percent think Tsarnaev should be executed. Almost 66 percent of Bostonians and nearly 63 percent statewide favor a life sentence.

The Globe poll was conducted after Bill and Denise Richard, whose son Martin was killed and whose daughter, Jane, lost a leg in the blasts, made their plea on the front page of the Globe for prosecutors to drop the death penalty. The Tsarnaev brothers’ dual bombs, and the crime spree that followed, left four people dead and injured more than 260 others.

“We understand all too well the heinousness and brutality of the crimes committed. We were there. We lived it. The defendant murdered our 8-year-old son, maimed our 7-year-old daughter, and stole part of our soul,” the Richards wrote April 16. “We know that the government has its reasons for seeking the death penalty, but the continued pursuit of that punishment could bring years of appeals and prolong reliving the most painful day of our lives.”

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/201...1iN/story.html

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by AcGold

You miss the point as we have very different moral stances. I never said concerned, I said disturbed and alarmed. The point is it's wrong to wish pain and suffering upon someone no matter the circumstances, I disagree that it's good to speak openly with hatred and malice. It tends to create cyclical violence and magnifies the divisions between different groups within society. But hey, go ahead with your violence fantasies, continue that negative energy.

How's the view from your ivory tower? You've obviously never seen evil firsthand. I'm happy that you haven't, it's not enjoyable.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

It is not wrong to wish pain and suffering 'no matter the circumstances'. In fact, it is rather fine, given circumstances.

It is wrong. Do you want vengeance over justice?

While seeking revenge, dig two graves -- one for yourself.
- Doug Horton

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by Dion

It is wrong. Do you want vengeance over justice?

While seeking revenge, dig two graves -- one for yourself.
- Doug Horton

Can you distinguish vengeance from justice?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

Can you distinguish vengeance from justice?

Wishing to inflict pain and suffering on the person (and eye for an eye) who has harmed you makes you no better as a person. To me that's vengenance and something you would see in 3rd world countires like the Middle East. Beheadings, stonings, hangings etc. Most of the civilized world does not seek revenge but rather justice for what has been done.