Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[direwolf]

Stay in your lane, Smith, you f’n imbecile. Good grief, she’s annoying.

[curves2000]

I doubt the citizenship ID card thing goes the full way the AB Gov are expecting but this isn't really that out of left field or fascist as some suggest. A lot of EU and other countries require you to have a national identity card highlighting your information and your citizenship/place of birth. In a lot of countries it's mandatory to carry, other counties it's pretty much mandatory since the police can detain you right away until they can identify you and where you are from.

It's usually the most important ID document for a lot of countries for government services, almost like our passport. Just because we have so many provinces and our country is so large, does not make it less important to prove who we are. I know some people may think this is strange but you know who doesn't? Immigrants who a lot of times carry their Canadian citizenship cards with them to prove it. There are security benefits when it comes to policing that can result in quicker apprehensions for people who are dual citizens. This is why it's routine for people on Canada wide warrant's to be able flee Canada on another countries passport. By the time the ID is made and CPIC has made it known, the suspects can be gone with another passport.

There are probably things behind the scenes the government isn't openly bringing up cause it makes the governing party look in competent and incredible wasteful. What value do you think these stupid paper AB Health cards carry for people who don't have insurance? People who live out of province/country? Not like there is a high level of security attached.

Previously I gave examples of people I know who lived here illegally and managed to get an AB Health Card. They did not meet the requirements for the card but were issued it.

I don't really have a side in this particular debate but it's not like proving your citizenship is some morally unethical ask.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by WideReceiver

What control can Alberta have over immigration? It’s federal.

Whining. We have control of our whining and boy howdy are we exercising that right. There are whiny townhalls you can attend to whine at while listening to others whine while the head whiny whines with you.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I doubt the citizenship ID card thing goes the full way the AB Gov are expecting but this isn't really that out of left field or fascist as some suggest. A lot of EU and other countries require you to have a national identity card highlighting your information and your citizenship/place of birth. In a lot of countries it's mandatory to carry, other counties it's pretty much mandatory since the police can detain you right away until they can identify you and where you are from.

It's usually the most important ID document for a lot of countries for government services, almost like our passport. Just because we have so many provinces and our country is so large, does not make it less important to prove who we are. I know some people may think this is strange but you know who doesn't? Immigrants who a lot of times carry their Canadian citizenship cards with them to prove it. There are security benefits when it comes to policing that can result in quicker apprehensions for people who are dual citizens. This is why it's routine for people on Canada wide warrant's to be able flee Canada on another countries passport. By the time the ID is made and CPIC has made it known, the suspects can be gone with another passport.

There are probably things behind the scenes the government isn't openly bringing up cause it makes the governing party look in competent and incredible wasteful. What value do you think these stupid paper AB Health cards carry for people who don't have insurance? People who live out of province/country? Not like there is a high level of security attached.

Previously I gave examples of people I know who lived here illegally and managed to get an AB Health Card. They did not meet the requirements for the card but were issued it.

I don't really have a side in this particular debate but it's not like proving your citizenship is some morally unethical ask.

You know exactly why they are doing it, and that's the reason it's so wrong.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I doubt the citizenship ID card thing goes the full way the AB Gov are expecting but this isn't really that out of left field or fascist as some suggest. A lot of EU and other countries require you to have a national identity card highlighting your information and your citizenship/place of birth. In a lot of countries it's mandatory to carry, other counties it's pretty much mandatory since the police can detain you right away until they can identify you and where you are from.

It's usually the most important ID document for a lot of countries for government services, almost like our passport. Just because we have so many provinces and our country is so large, does not make it less important to prove who we are. I know some people may think this is strange but you know who doesn't? Immigrants who a lot of times carry their Canadian citizenship cards with them to prove it. There are security benefits when it comes to policing that can result in quicker apprehensions for people who are dual citizens. This is why it's routine for people on Canada wide warrant's to be able flee Canada on another countries passport. By the time the ID is made and CPIC has made it known, the suspects can be gone with another passport.

There are probably things behind the scenes the government isn't openly bringing up cause it makes the governing party look in competent and incredible wasteful. What value do you think these stupid paper AB Health cards carry for people who don't have insurance? People who live out of province/country? Not like there is a high level of security attached.

Previously I gave examples of people I know who lived here illegally and managed to get an AB Health Card. They did not meet the requirements for the card but were issued it.

I don't really have a side in this particular debate but it's not like proving your citizenship is some morally unethical ask.

I am an immigrant and I have never once carried my citizenship card. ####ing Stupid that they would feel they need to do that.

[Slava]

Having this kind of citizenship marker within the EU is different because those are all separate countries. Wait a minute...

[The Fisher Account]

Tone deaf government is now gearing up to launch an anti-teacher advertising campaign using our tax dollars. Likely, before they lock the teachers out before their September paycheques hit.

Stay classy Marlaina.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Sounds like Provincial governments likely don't even have the authority to do this, so WTF are they trying to pull here? I hope the UCP gets sued up the arse for this stunt.

From the article above:

They are pushing out swath's of BS to distract people from the education crisis - many are now wasting time on both matters when neither will even be looked at seriously.

It's no coincidence that this is launched along with the book ban mess all while the ATA strike is looming. Trump tactics 101.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

Tone deaf government is now gearing up to launch an anti-teacher advertising campaign using our tax dollars. Likely, before they lock the teachers out before their September paycheques hit.

Stay classy Marlaina.

They can smear all they want but they aren't locking out teachers. That would be fully suicidal and would deprive them of the only angle they have that might have support - keeping kids in school.

The ATA can smear pretty easily as well if they want to. A few images of kids learning in libraries, gyms and common areas or standing along the wall because there aren't enough desks should do all the work.

[The Fisher Account]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

They can smear all they want but they aren't locking out teachers. That would be fully suicidal and would deprive them of the only angle they have that might have support - keeping kids in school.

I hope you're right but I'm not convinced they won't.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

I hope you're right but I'm not convinced they won't.

This is going Strike on the 6th legislated back to work on the 7th, work to rule cancelation of all non contractually required activities on 8th.

There is no benefit to the province with a lock out unless the teachers do a rotating rather than a general strike

Because of how liberally applied essential service is the lock out doesn’t really give them leverage.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Of course there's no benefit to the government to lock them out, but since they are tards and just want to throw red meat to their tard base, it still might happen.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

I hope you're right but I'm not convinced they won't.

Well there's zero to gain for the government if they pull that pin and a lot to lose. You are far better to let the teachers strike and let them take the negative heat for that if this is where it's going. To be honest, it would be a blessing for the teachers to have the UCP clowns pull that pin.

For me, I really couldn't care less how that shakes out as long as something improves. It will suck if the kids are out of school for 2,3,4 weeks but if that is what it takes to get something done that forces the government to actually commit to improving conditions, funding, and yes, salaries, then that's the price to be paid by us all.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by GGG

This is going Strike on the 6th legislated back to work on the 7th, work to rule cancelation of all non contractually required activities on 8th.

There is no benefit to the province with a lock out unless the teachers do a rotating rather than a general strike

Because of how liberally applied essential service is the lock out doesn’t really give them leverage.

Trust me, once they strike, the Teachers aren't going back unless there is a proper agreement in place. Air Canada opened that box refusing to go back to work and attempting to legislate them back is nearly unprecedented across the country for teachers or nurses anyway and won't hold up in court.

Smith is going to go wicked witch when d day arrives, kicking and screaming before she feels the heat and eventually caves in some regard. What is sickening is that they probably won't commit to anything they are actually legally binded to in terms of improving the classrooms anyway. Get used to your kids learning in gyms, hallways and libraries with 50 of their closest friends....after all it's the best we can do in this impoverished province.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Well there's zero to gain for the government if they pull that pin and a lot to lose. You are far better to let the teachers strike and let them take the negative heat for that if this is where it's going. To be honest, it would be a blessing for the teachers to have the UCP clowns pull that pin.

For me, I really couldn't care less how that shakes out as long as something improves. It will suck if the kids are out of school for 2,3,4 weeks but if that is what it takes to get something done that forces the government to actually commit to improving conditions, funding, and yes, salaries, then that's the price to be paid by us all.

I agree that there is zero to gain but I do not think the UCP understands that. They like power and control and punching down. They do not understand negotiations, they understand attacks.

Now that they are going to waste taxpayer dollars on an advertising campaign to lie to the people about what is going on, the attacks are in full swing. I can absolutely see them pulling the lockout stunt because then they can just lie in their ads to the public and say the teachers made them do it.

[Boblobla]

Man, just got the email from the school about the changes resulting from the new Education Amendment Act. I guess we get what we vote for...


Preferred Names and Pronouns

If a student under 18 and asks school staff to use a gender identity-related
name or pronoun(s), parents will be notified. For students under 16 years of
age, school staff must obtain parental consent before using the new name or
pronoun(s) at school. For students 16 or 17 years of age, school staff will
provide notification only; parental consent is not required.
We understand parental notification may raise some questions and concerns
for students. Where a student requests support, or where notification is
reasonably expected to cause emotional or psychological harm to the
student, the school will first ensure that the student is provided with
counseling or other support prior to notifying the student’s parent. Students
can access school-based supports without parental consent. Students and
families can also connect with affordable mental health services through
Counselling Alberta.

Classroom Instruction on Gender Identity, Sexual Orientation, or
Human Sexuality. If classroom lessons deal primarily and
explicitly with these topics:

Parents will receive at least 30 days’ notice, and written opt-in consent MUST
BE obtained before a student may participate in courses, programs,
instructional materials, or exercises that deal primarily and explicitly with
gender identity, sexual orientation, or human sexuality.
This requirement does not apply to incidental or general references to these
topics. Parents will also have the ability to partially or fully opt-in to such
instruction, depending on comfort level.

For non-traditional calendar (e.g. summer school) Career and Life
Management (CALM) courses, the consent form will be provided during the
course registration process.
Note re Human Sexuality Lessons| If a parent chooses partial opt-in or non-
participation for their student in Human Sexuality lessons or other
courses/programs addressing these topics, the student’s grades and CALM
credits will not be affected. In these cases, teachers will provide alternative
learning tasks and assessments in a supervised setting.

Teaching Materials and External Speakers

Any materials or presentations that deal primarily and explicitly with gender
identity, sexual orientation, or human sexuality must be approved by the
Minister of Education and Childcare, unless they are used for religious
instruction.
External organizations discussing these topics must also receive ministerial
approval before presenting in schools.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Any materials or presentations that deal primarily and explicitly with gender
identity, sexual orientation, or human sexuality must be approved by the
Minister of Education and Childcare, unless they are used for religious
instruction.
External organizations discussing these topics must also receive ministerial
approval before presenting in schools.

An exemption for religious instruction? What does that mean?

[surferguy]

These #######s make life worse for us and kids every day.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Any materials or presentations that deal primarily and explicitly with gender
identity, sexual orientation, or human sexuality must be approved by the
Minister of Education and Childcare, unless they are used for religious
instruction.
External organizations discussing these topics must also receive ministerial
approval before presenting in schools.

An exemption for religious instruction? What does that mean?

If they mention how God wanted to stone the gays then it’s OK.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

And another thing:

If a student under 18 and asks school staff to use a gender identity-related
name or pronoun(s), parents will be notified.

Isn't that everybody? Isn't he/him or she/her a gender based pronoun?