Edmonton is No Good XI: Mud, Sweatpants and Tiers

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Even so, it’s a pretence at analysis. The equivalent would be maybe Eric Francis. Who may be a gadfly but he’s at least more intellectually honest and pretty free with criticisms.

I don’t even know who does Oiler radio PBP. It used to be Jack Michaels, and I dare anyone to prefer him over Wills (and I don’t even like Wills).

I’d think Francis and Spector would be a better comparison, Honestly not plugged into the Calgary scene to know if there’s anyone like staples, for your sake I hope not.

[Rising_Oil_Prices]

Originally Posted by Whynotnow

I’d think Francis and Spector would be a better comparison, Honestly not plugged into the Calgary scene to know if there’s anyone like staples, for your sake I hope not.

Wills isn’t just a play by play guy, he’s on a show called flames talk every weekday. He’s constantly promoting the team even when they are terrible. Staples is constantly promoting his team even when they aren’t as good as he thinks they are. It’s a fair comparison of two homer media guys.

[Enoch Root]

Derek Wills is a homer, that is true. But he isn't even in the same universe as Staples.

Derek Wills stands up for the Flames, even when he shouldn't (hardly the worst crime one might commit). Staples spews utter nonsense - complete knob-gobbling, chin-drooling, nonsense. Not even a blind Oiler fan could miss the difference.

[Rising_Oil_Prices]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Derek Wills is a homer, that is true. But he isn't even in the same universe as Staples.

Derek Wills stands up for the Flames, even when he shouldn't (hardly the worst crime one might commit). Staples spews utter nonsense - complete knob-gobbling, chin-drooling, nonsense. Not even a blind Oiler fan could miss the difference.

I may be blind, but my ears can hear good homer commentating when I hear it. In similar fashion to always criticizing the oilers team when the flames are literally a hot mess and will be for the foreseeable future, you may want to look to your own media bias before you criticize others. Saying it’s not a fair comparison is beyond me… they’re two media figures commenting on their local hockey clubs.. how is that not a fair comparison?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Rising_Oil_Prices

I may be blind, but my ears can hear good homer commentating when I hear it. In similar fashion to always criticizing the oilers team when the flames are literally a hot mess and will be for the foreseeable future, you may want to look to your own media bias before you criticize others. Saying it’s not a fair comparison is beyond me… they’re two media figures commenting on their local hockey clubs.. how is that not a fair comparison?

The comparison is fair, it's coming to the conclusion that they are similar that warrants criticism. Wills is a homer. Staples is a 50 year old fan-boy-wanker.

But hey, if you enjoy reading his ####, knock yourself out.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Rising_Oil_Prices

I may be blind, but my ears can hear good homer commentating when I hear it. In similar fashion to always criticizing the oilers team when the flames are literally a hot mess and will be for the foreseeable future, you may want to look to your own media bias before you criticize others. Saying it’s not a fair comparison is beyond me… they’re two media figures commenting on their local hockey clubs.. how is that not a fair comparison?

“Two media guys”. Laughable.

One is a PBP guy with a guest spot on a radio show. A PBP guy who was parachuted in a few years back and has no real connection with the team. No one expects analysis from him at all. The other is paid to write column length analysis about the team.

If you can’t see the difference that’s on you.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by troutman

Staples is a journalist. Wills is not.

both suck

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

both suck

I understand why Wills handles this team with baby gloves. He used to ride the plane with the team. It's pretty tough to sit near a player you just #### on.

[Reggie Dunlop]

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I understand why Wills handles this team with baby gloves. He used to ride the plane with the team. It's pretty tough to sit near a player you just #### on.

I think it's part of the PBP gig to not be overly critical. Peter Maher never really criticized the Flames. If his color guy or post game show host criticized the team or their effort he would nod his head and agree but he would never go out of his way to put the team in a bad light and he called the games during some really, really lean years. Mike Rogers started getting overly critical with the Flames and they let him go so it's a matter of job preservation and not crossing that line of fanning the flames during bad times.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think it's part of the PBP gig to not be overly critical. Peter Maher never really criticized the Flames. If his color guy or post game show host criticized the team or their effort he would nod his head and agree but he would never go out of his way to put the team in a bad light and he called the games during some really, really lean years. Mike Rogers started getting overly critical with the Flames and they let him go so it's a matter of job preservation and not crossing that line of fanning the flames during bad times.

The only critical stuff Maher ever said that I can recall wasn't even from him - it was him repeating what coaches were saying.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I understand why Wills handles this team with baby gloves. He used to ride the plane with the team. It's pretty tough to sit near a player you just #### on.

Outside of that he is a dick

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Derek Wills is a homer, that is true. But he isn't even in the same universe as Staples.

Derek Wills stands up for the Flames, even when he shouldn't (hardly the worst crime one might commit). Staples spews utter nonsense - complete knob-gobbling, chin-drooling, nonsense. Not even a blind Oiler fan could miss the difference.

His (Staples') "articles" are also glorified hockey forum posts.

That the EJ displays its name above them is an indictment on the credibility of EJ as a source of journalism. But given that it's Edmonton, the standards there are probably not what they are in a bigger and more relevant city with a more educated populous.

Wills is a big time homer. But even he has boundaries that he will keep within, and the craziest thing he will go out on a reach to predict is the Flames making the playoffs when they're 8 points out, and that Markstrom is still being elite (and turns out he may have been right on that one, but you know what they say about broken clocks).

Wills can be a staunch defender who will stick to his narrative to a fault. but the Edmonton media guys are on the offensive year in/year out to make the most profoundly stupid statements that glorify a team that has displayed historic levels of ineptitude and accomplished nothing with a hand that most franchises will never be dealt. And they need to make sure every one, everywhere in the hockey world hears about it.

That's insufferable behaviour that deserves ridicule given that they're incorrect on a multitude of things and never adjust or own up to how they wildly overshot the year prior. I don't have enough unflattering descriptors for bozos like Specitor and Staples. At least Stauffer tells it like it is on the broadcast.

Francis is probably the worse culprit for this market that could even remotely compare to the Edmonton water carriers.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

That the EJ displays its name above them is an indictment on the credibility of EJ as a source of journalism. But given that it's Edmonton, the standards there are probably not what they are in a bigger and more relevant city with a more educated populous.

Don't kid yourself. This is what journalism has become, everywhere.

Newspapers used to be supported by classified advertising. Since that collapsed, they have let go thousands of people who knew how to do their jobs, and kept on the people who would work for low wages because they couldn't find anything better.

Staples is what you get when you scrape the bottom of the barrel just to stay in business.

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by Rising_Oil_Prices

I may be blind, but my ears can hear good homer commentating when I hear it. In similar fashion to always criticizing the oilers team when the flames are literally a hot mess and will be for the foreseeable future, you may want to look to your own media bias before you criticize others. Saying it’s not a fair comparison is beyond me… they’re two media figures commenting on their local hockey clubs.. how is that not a fair comparison?

NG fan of a NG team defending the NG media sack of donkey dix, who writes NG fellating articles about an extremely NG team. This is NG turned all the way up to 11.

[Scrambler]

Good, let the loser mentality set in, good call Edmonton Journal:

https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/l...dmonton-oilers

[Reggie Dunlop]

No good can possibly come out of No Gooding.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Scrambler

Good, let the loser mentality set in, good call Edmonton Journal:

https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/l...dmonton-oilers

LOL trying to justify the loss as a positive. Never change, Edmonton talking heads..

I'm looking forward to the "losing in the first round was probably best for the Oilers" in a couple weeks, citing something like how the motivation to get the job done will lead to the golden boys re-signing at home discounts to 'finish what they started'.

The funniest part is it's not out of the realm of possibility that we see an article along those lines.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Scrambler

Good, let the loser mentality set in, good call Edmonton Journal:

https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/l...dmonton-oilers

Holy smokes there really must be something in the water up there. Losing to a rival team and being eliminated from finishing 1st in the division is for the best because you don't want to have the last three games of an 82 game season to have meaning. Nothing strokes the confidence level like getting swept in the regular season by the division winning team.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Rising_Oil_Prices

I may be blind, but my ears can hear good homer commentating when I hear it. In similar fashion to always criticizing the oilers team when the flames are literally a hot mess and will be for the foreseeable future, you may want to look to your own media bias before you criticize others. Saying it’s not a fair comparison is beyond me… they’re two media figures commenting on their local hockey clubs.. how is that not a fair comparison?

Well the obvious difference is that only one team in the league has ever has pissed away 4 nos 1 picks including the best player of a generation.
On any other team McSweatpants plus 3 other Nos 1's within 6 years would be a stone lock for a dynasty, 3 or 4 cups minimally, that this almost certainly the Oilers last chance at a cup run and they look less than likely to get out of the first round let alone all the way is the definition of a hot mess, the Flames are rebuilding, that is a fact of life for all teams