Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Cappy

Using a wildly debunked conspiracy and manipulated statement as a precursor to your video really hurts you argument

What are you talking about? The tongue in cheek comment has been around for years.

Between the housing cost crisis, push for digital subscriptions in movies and music, monthly payments for physical car features like AC or heated seats, the fight for right to repair, software being locked out for forced subscriptions like Adobe or Photoshop, the rise of "buy now, pay later" needed for people to carry their financial burden, etc. is a vast conspiracy?

Or wait, is "buy now, pay later" maybe a conspiracy too? Or is it racist somehow? I can't say that now either perhaps?

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Another option that would be good for Canada, would be to build infrastructure for northern communities. Then incentivize new Canadian to move there, or prioritize people who want to move there, or both.

It's kind of like the CBC argument, or the post office argument. You have to accept certain things are not going to make boatloads of money, if you want to have a safe and secure democracy.

That would lower the stress on housing, to a small degree, and the benefits to our sovereignty would be legion.

Having just been up north and hearing how everyone was no longer attending the local Mr. Mikes because some "East Indians moved up here and bought it and it tastes like #### now"

I suspect there will be some pushback to this idea.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Titan2

Ok. What I was getting at was that governments provide services that are not purpose built to make money.

Ok, but then you still have to decide which things that could make money if done privately you want the government to do instead, in a non-profit-seeking way. Like, children's daycare could be a service provided by the government or it could be solely private enterprise, and there are some reasonable arguments for both positions. That's true of a lot of things.

[afc wimbledon]

Just let interest rates stay at 4 to 5% with the occasional 3 or 4 months at 7 or 8 and the market will fix itself

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by chemgear

What are you talking about? The tongue in cheek comment has been around for years.

Between the housing cost crisis, push for digital subscriptions in movies and music, monthly payments for physical car features like AC or heated seats, the fight for right to repair, software being locked out for forced subscriptions like Adobe or Photoshop, the rise of "buy now, pay later" needed for people to carry their financial burden, etc. is a vast conspiracy?

Or wait, is "buy now, pay later" maybe a conspiracy too? Or is it racist somehow? I can't say that now either perhaps?

sure, bud. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27...g_and_be_happy

This phrase was taken from some low level MEP posted on a WEF website about the sharing economy.

It meant nothing to no one until COVID, and the "great reset". Every single WEF conspiracy theorists uses this phrase as some sort of anti-liberal / anti-wef bull####.

This phrase was barked often during the 15-minute cities debate along with 24 hour surveillance, barbed-wire, hunger games zoning BS.

Racist? why do you say that?

Don't act ignorant to the origin of a stupid phrase like that.

And in response to your "ah shucks, I'm talking about subscription-based economics" which has nothing to do with the video you posted; one would clearly see the EU leftist governments are championing the right to repair laws and enhanced data protections.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Titan2

Ok. What I was getting at was that governments provide services that are not purpose built to make money. Schools, fire departments, military (bad example if we look to the US again!) Yes, there are things that the gov't could do and can also make money at it. However, I tend to think the gov't's role is better as an overseer and regulator than as an owner/operator, for most things.

In general I would agree with this... but then you see government bailing out, subsidizing, and legislating labour resolutions for private businesses. As far as I'm concerned the government shouldn't be doing any of those things and if any of those things HAVE to happen then the government ought to be at least partially (or pseudo) nationalizing them. If something is deemed to important to the national interest to fail or to be disrupted then it's to important to leave entirely in the hands of the private sector.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Cappy

sure, bud. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27...g_and_be_happy

This phrase was taken from some low level MEP posted on a WEF website about the sharing economy.

It meant nothing to no one until COVID, and the "great reset". Every single WEF conspiracy theorists uses this phrase as some sort of anti-liberal / anti-wef bull####.

This phrase was barked often during the 15-minute cities debate along with 24 hour surveillance, barbed-wire, hunger games zoning BS.

Racist? why do you say that?

Don't act ignorant to the origin of a stupid phrase like that.

And in response to your "ah shucks, I'm talking about subscription-based economics" which has nothing to do with the video you posted; one would clearly see the EU leftist governments are championing the right to repair laws and enhanced data protections.

Holy #### man, I don't follow conspiracy theories or care to. I'm happy living a rational life and ignoring crazy people that want to chase and scream them. Nevermind ones that you linked from a decade ago.

If you don't think that there is a long standing trend of increasing cost of living for people and want to freak out about the semantics of the wording of an internet post, go nuts and enjoy the conspiracy that you like.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Another option that would be good for Canada, would be to build infrastructure for northern communities. Then incentivize new Canadian to move there, or prioritize people who want to move there, or both.

It's cold enough down here as it is, and you want people to move north?

"Great success, mah wife and I, we come to Canada for great new opportunity, yes?"
"Wonderful, Mr. Sagdiyev, well we're going to set you up in the lovely newly-built community of Fridge, Yukon."

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Titan2

Are you, or anyone, aware of any actual studies on the feasibility of this? I know Fuzz posted about it but I don't think he had studies as much as his own thoughts?

Where is Fuzz btw? Has not posted in a bit. I hope he wasn't buried under a clay pile.

Rumours of my clay death have been greatly exaggerated. It was more of a dirt nap.

[puffnstuff]

You might wanna look up what 'dirt nap' means...

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Holy #### man, I don't follow conspiracy theories or care to. I'm happy living a rational life and ignoring crazy people that want to chase and scream them. Nevermind ones that you linked from a decade ago.

If you don't think that there is a long standing trend of increasing cost of living for people and want to freak out about the semantics of the wording of an internet post, go nuts and enjoy the conspiracy that you like.

Sure, man.

Just a rational actor, innocently using a classic turn of phrase.

WWG1WGA

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Cappy

Sure, man.

Just a rational actor, innocently using a classic turn of phrase.

WWG1WGA

I have no idea what you're rambling on about but feel free to enjoy whatever conspiracies that you like and see reflected from your own experiences. Fill your boots.

I want nothing to do with you and your nonsense.

[Drak]

Guys?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

You might wanna look up what 'dirt nap' means...

It's far more fun to play with the ambiguity of the English language.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by chemgear

I have no idea what you're rambling on about but feel free to enjoy whatever conspiracies that you like and see reflected from your own experiences. Fill your boots.

I want nothing to do with you and your nonsense.

Mindlessly repeating a dogwhistle out of ignorance is understandable, but trying to reframe it as the people aware of the dogwhistle being the problem and not the phrase or its origins does your position no favours.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It's far more fun to play with the ambiguity of the English language.

"Ambiguity" is such a specific word. Or is it?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by D as in David

"Ambiguity" is such a specific word. Or is it?

It's a perfectly cromulent application of it.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Mindlessly repeating a dogwhistle out of ignorance is understandable, but trying to reframe it as the people aware of the dogwhistle being the problem and not the phrase or its origins does your position no favours.

Exactly.

More than once, I've accidentally used what I thought was just a common phrase, only to find out that its meaning has either changed or that it has a true origin I wasn't aware of.

Just own it and move on

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

In fairness I suspect that visiting that region in particular would have an outsized impact on your perspective on the conflict, far more than most places you could visit... like I think I have a pretty solid sense of what's going on in Ukraine, even though being there would obviously make a huge difference to my ability to understand the realities on the ground. But spending a few weeks in Gaza, Jerusalem, the West Bank, as a journalist or author or commentator or whatever, I can't really even imagine how much that would help, as someone who isn't steeped in that conflict.

I'm not saying it wouldn't help. The post I replied to made a bunch of assumptions about the EM, while invoking the mega-cringe "center of the universe" rhetoric.

If the EM refuses to visit Alberta and talk to people on the ground during her tenure, then that's worthy of criticism.

Besides, wouldn't appointing an EM based on what region of the country they grew up in be a DEI hire? I thought conservatives hated DEI.

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Exactly.

More than once, I've accidentally used what I thought was just a common phrase, only to find out that its meaning has either changed or that it has a true origin I wasn't aware of.

Just own it and move on