2024/2025 Trade Rumours and Speculation thread

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

He had a good season but he didn't play well in the playoffs, he's a bit bigger, both players are the same age. Sometimes it works for the better. He's got one year left on his deal. I watched the year end exit interview Mangipane and Huberdeau just went on about how they could be better and learn from it. Ehler might be a better fit and if not we can still unload him. Ehlers plus rating and overall points ware a little a little better than Mangipane.

Colorado is a tough team obviously he didn't play well against them.

Ehlers is a better player than Mangiapane, that’s true. I mean, he was a 9OA, and Mangiapane was 166OA. If he puts up some points and the Flames eat salary, yeah they could move him maybe. He has a 10 team NTC. Flames are probably on it.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

What if Elhers sucks here, we will get nothing of value back. He also makes 1.5 more than Mangipane.

We will get a better futures package for Mangiapane. A more managable salary for a team if we retain.

Mangipane, didn't have a great season himself. Any player could suck if they came here, but it's not like we be signng him to a long-term contract, which is what you want. He did better than Mangipane last season and they're both the same age. Do you feel Mangipane would be easier to unload based on salary? Sure that's reasonable. l think it's worth the risk.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Ehlers is a better player than Mangiapane, that’s true. I mean, he was a 9OA, and Mangiapane was 166OA. If he puts up some points and the Flames eat salary, yeah they could move him maybe. He has a 10 team NTC. Flames are probably on it.

I thought about that too, it's not a long-term decision but it might be a move that works for both teams. Based on play we could still probably get something good out of Ehlers. Hard to say maybe Calgary is or is not on that list. I just got from the exit interviews that Mangipane didn't seem all that thrilled to be here but I could be wrong.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

It's completely crazy.

As I said Petro is 34 years old, he'll be 35 mid next season.

The Leafs would be nuts to trade a 27 year old perennial 90 point forward for a soon to be 35 year old Dman.

Don't forget who's making those decisions now

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Incoming Marner to Florida for Reinhart, Montour, 1st and a prospect.

Then signs Reinhart to 8x10.5.

I can actually see him going to STL for a package around Buchnevich and Krug.

[The Yen Man]

If Marner is on the trading block, Leafs can get way more than Pietrangelo.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

We won't be getting stars if we are drafting 15th every year with a false hope of trying to get in the playoffs with a mishmash of players.

when?

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by dino7c

when?

Lol, if I remember correctly... 2015... which was traded for D. Hamilton.

Going off memory, so I cold be wrong:
We did have a couple of 16th picks in Valimaki, and Honzek recently.

I think we also traded a couple 14th in the last decade(okay a bit more) in the Hamonic trade, and to move down so we could get Jankowski.

A couple of 13th as well in Baertschi, and Coronato.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Lol, if I remember correctly... 2015... which was traded for D. Hamilton.

Going off memory, so I cold be wrong:
We did have a couple of 16th picks in Valimaki, and Honzek recently.

I think we also traded a couple 14th in the last decade(okay a bit more) in the Hamonic trade, and to move down so we could get Jankowski.

A couple of 13th as well in Baertschi, and Coronato.

You're close. Coronato was 13th OA, but was actually the 12th guy picked due to Arizona forfeiting their pick. The pick lost in the ill fated Hamonic deal was 12th OA (Noah Dobson). Go way back and the Flames kept the 23 pick Tom Erixon and surrendered the 13 pick the following year in Gormley.

So hell yeah the Flames need to get better at drafting in the 13 to 18 range. Even getting two players who played 400 games with the team out of these picks would have made a difference.

[traptor]

The flames have been terrible picking mid to late 1sts in recent memory.

Atleast it seems to have improved recently and they found something in Zary.

It's going to be be a big year for Coronato, Pelletier and Honzek.

How this group turns out over the next couple seasons is going to make a huge impact on what happens with this club over the next 5 years.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by dino7c

when?

In spite of what people may say, the Flames have had a pretty equitable spread through the past 23 years. The made fairly good use of top 10 picks the second time they had 3 of them after largely squandering the first batch, and are way below average when picking in the teens, a little regression to the mean might dictate we are due for 2 or 3 players to hit picking from the teens.

4 Bennett
6 Monahan
6 Tkachuk
9 Krahn
9 Phaneuf
10 Nystrom
12 Coronato
13 Baertschi
14 Kobasew
16 Valimaki
16 Honzek
21 Jankowski
22 Poirier (E)
23 Erixon
24 Backlund
24 Chucko
24 Zary
25 Nemisz
26 Pelech
26 Irving
26 Pelletier
28 Klimchuk

[ComixZone]

^ that is not an impressive draft history.

How many stars in that bunch? Just Tkachuk. You could perhaps make an argument for the short lived successes of Monahan and Phaneuf, but Tkachuk is the only one to stand on his own and he bailed.

[dino7c]

the point is they have never "drafted 15th every year" or ever
there is no debate that drafting needs to be better although it looks like it has turned a corner

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

It's interesting, but you got a point; I think a ton of the new kids are Oilers fans based on the McDavid factor. Flames need a superstar to come through before the building is ready to open.

Yes, and that is not coming through the path Dino7C is suggesting.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Royle9

If Ehlers was available for Mangi then Craig should start the car.

Yeah, that's not happening. Just silly off season stuff on CP, haha.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

What if Elhers sucks here, we will get nothing of value back. He also makes 1.5 more than Mangipane.

We will get a better futures package for Mangiapane. A more managable salary for a team if we retain.

Each has one year left on his contract, Ehlers cap hit is $200,000 more than Mangiapane.

Ehlers has averaged 62 points over 82 games, Mangiapane 42.

Ehlers is a much better player and plays to his cap hit.

That’s not a trade the Jets would make. Ehlers could be easily moved for draft capital today. It’s debatable if Mangiapane could.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dino7c

when?

I used that as an example, you took it literally.

The team needs top end talent. Preferably at the top of the draft, we are lacking #1D and #1C.

You’re not saying we should trade for Marner, but you have to look at. Apparently a few years of rebuilding is going to lose a generation of fans.

The Sylvanfan comes and labels me a tank commander for no reason, and that I want to be in the bottom every year. I’ve never even cheered for losses ever.

The fact is at its current state the team sucks. It’s a bottom 5 roster. Once Markstrom is gone we may just slip into the top 3 category. Adding anyone is going to cost assets that we cannot part with, not right now. Wasting those assets on a Marner or Zegras and going to free agency to help this roster push themselves over the top from bottom 5 to bottom 10 is what is going lose a generation of fans.

A few impatient fans can’t take a few years of difficult time so we can have a better team for a longer sustained period of time.

[Flamesfan1977]

Yes yes you are right. Bottom out and draft high for a few years. But what happens if those draft picks do not pan out? Let me guess…rinse and repeat right? I am sure glad you are the authority on rebuilding.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

^ that is not an impressive draft history.

How many stars in that bunch? Just Tkachuk. You could perhaps make an argument for the short lived successes of Monahan and Phaneuf, but Tkachuk is the only one to stand on his own and he bailed.

I think if you look back at this list as a scout, and ignore the trades/contracts/expectation that colour our views of history, you probably rank the picks something like this. Sub par record for sure, although much better in the past 10 years than the first 15.

Great
6 Tkachuk

Successes
9 Phaneuf
6 Monahan
24 Backlund

Good Enough
4 Bennett
13 Baertschi

OK
21 Jankowski
14 Kobasew
16 Valimaki
23 Erixon

Disappointing
9 Krahn
10 Nystrom
16 Honzek (probably)
22 Poirier (E)
24 Chucko
25 Nemisz
26 Pelech
26 Irving
28 Klimchuk

TBD?
24 Zary
12 Coronato
26 Pelletier

[flambers]

Missing few of them, which are good

Adam Fox (pick 66), Rasmus Anderson (pick 53), Oliver Kylington (pick 60), Andrew Mangiapane (pick 166), Martin Pospisil (pick 105), Dustin Wolf (pick 214),


Disappointing
16 Honzek (way...way to early)