2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Sandman

My post was in response to some of the proposals that had Tkachuk getting traded for older players, 1 for 1's, etc- and I said you don't accept less than those 3 assets (young roster player, prospect, and a first), especially for a 24 year old, 100 pt player. GM's are quoted all the time about setting this price for star players, this isn't something I came up with on my own.

The problem is the Flames have a timeline when they have to get this done. Other teams don't. Then you add that most likely Tkatchuck has a short list of teams where he's willing to sign long term.


It's just a bad spot to be negotiating from.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Major Major

I meant retaining 75% through a third party.

What team is retaining all the way through an 8 year contract?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Have to think anything less than an absolute stud piece under the age of 25, multiple first round picks and a prospect would be a fail this time.

For one year of Tkachuk?

A stud piece under the age of 25 (say Stutzle) has more current value, as he's a stud piece under 25 with years of control at a cheaper price.

If Calgary can get two first round picks, they need to jump on it and run.

Tkachuk is an extremely good player, but his contract situation decreases his value considerably. He has the leverage in any contract negotiation, so he can effectively pick his team.

Calagry will just be in the position of taking the best deal offered. Or be prepared to lose him for nothing.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

What team is retaining all the way through an 8 year contract?

I believe that would be the Bugtussel No Such Team.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Major Major

I meant retaining 75% through a third party.

So, you go to a team and say you need to retain $2,500,000 for 8 years, being $20,000,000. Who's giving that team 3 or more first round picks to do that?

After Calgary retains $5,000,000 for 8 years? $40,000,000?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Do the Flames make this a hockey trade and move out multiple bodies and bring in a number of young players, then compliment them with a couple veterans through free agency?

To New Jersey: Tkachuk and Hanifin
To Calgary: Bratt, Holtz, Mercer, unprotected 1st

Then sign two free agents like Kadri and Klingberg to fill the gaps and increase depth. Still have to dump Lucic's cap hit to make it work, and possibly one of Monahan or Backlund. Would allow our guys from the minors to step in as well, letting Pelletier and Ruzicka play bigger roles.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

For one year of Tkachuk?

A stud piece under the age of 25 (say Stutzle) has more current value, as he's a stud piece under 25 with years of control at a cheaper price.

If Calgary can get two first round picks, they need to jump on it and run.

Tkachuk is an extremely good player, but his contract situation decreases his value considerably. He has the leverage in any contract negotiation, so he can effectively pick his team.

Calagry will just be in the position of taking the best deal offered. Or be prepared to lose him for nothing.

For the right team, such as the Blues, this isn’t an issue. They know he has a desire or would resign. Same would go for the Devils. As such, I expect Treliving to get pretty good return on this deal.

Kyrou+Tarasenko+2023 1st for Tkachuk + 2023 4th (full disclosure, not 100% sure Calgary has their 4th in 2023)

Bratt+Holtz+2023 1st for Tkachuk

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Do the Flames make this a hockey trade and move out multiple bodies and bring in a number of young players, then compliment them with a couple veterans through free agency?

To New Jersey: Tkachuk and Hanifin
To Calgary: Bratt, Holtz, Mercer, unprotected 1st

Then sign two free agents like Kadri and Klingberg to fill the gaps and increase depth. Still have to dump Lucic's cap hit to make it work, and possibly one of Monahan or Backlund. Would allow our guys from the minors to step in as well, letting Pelletier and Ruzicka play bigger roles.

I mean, I'd do that in a heartbeat. I doubt Jersey would be willing though.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

I mean, I'd do that in a heartbeat. I doubt Jersey would be willing though.

I think Jersey takes that all day.

[SportsJunky]

Sounds like we have a deal then!

[Monahammer]

Bratt was a ~.5 ppg questionable D winger player until hughes exploded last season. I would be very nervous with him as the center piece returned in a tkachuk trade.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

For the right team, such as the Blues, this isn’t an issue. They know he has a desire or would resign. Same would go for the Devils. As such, I expect Treliving to get pretty good return on this deal.

Kyrou+Tarasenko+2023 1st for Tkachuk + 2023 4th (full disclosure, not 100% sure Calgary has their 4th in 2023)

Bratt+Holtz+2023 1st for Tkachuk

The difference in value between those two trades is staggering. They aren't even close.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

So, you go to a team and say you need to retain $2,500,000 for 8 years, being $20,000,000. Who's giving that team 3 or more first round picks to do that?

After Calgary retains $5,000,000 for 8 years? $40,000,000?

Sorry my thought is scattered among multiple posts.

You only retain on the one year arbitrated contract. Teams can offer an 8 year extension after that. The point is you open up the trade to more teams including the blues divisional rivals.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Someone like Tkachuk ought to be able to fetch you a top 6 roster player, a top prospect and a 1st round pick...

it would help if the team allowed other teams to talk to Tkachuk beforehand to see if he would sign longterm however. This is a bit of a gambit, but has been done before I believe with Stone and Vegas.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

For the right team, such as the Blues, this isn’t an issue. They know he has a desire or would resign. Same would go for the Devils. As such, I expect Treliving to get pretty good return on this deal.

Kyrou+Tarasenko+2023 1st for Tkachuk + 2023 4th (full disclosure, not 100% sure Calgary has their 4th in 2023)

Bratt+Holtz+2023 1st for Tkachuk

Oh I expect the return to me good, just not "stud piece under 25, multiple first round picks and good prospect" good.

I'm not sure what the value of Tarasenko is right now. At the deadline he'd fetch a 1st round pick. For a full year? Teams with an interest in him likely couldn't fit him in until the deadline.

It really depends on (1) if Tkachuk is actually interested in signing along term contract prior to UFA; and (2) if he's interested in doing so with more than one team.

If Tkachuk says I'll only sign prior to UFA with, say, the Blues, his values craters considerably. if he mentions 2 or 3 teams, that helps the Flames immensely.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Sorry my thought is scattered among multiple posts.

You only retain on the one year arbitrated contract. Teams can offer an 8 year extension after that. The point is you open up the trade to more teams including the blues divisional rivals.

Thanks, that makes more sense. But his value will largely depend on whether he is willing to sign a long term contract with multiple teams. And that is information we really don't know.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Bratt was a ~.5 ppg questionable D winger player until hughes exploded last season. I would be very nervous with him as the center piece returned in a tkachuk trade.

Bratt isn't the centerpiece in a trade with Jersey. The two players you want are Mercer and Holtz. Bratt is there for balancing salary and to give us a little immediate scoring. Calgary may have to eat a little more salary in the deal too.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

For one year of Tkachuk?

A stud piece under the age of 25 (say Stutzle) has more current value, as he's a stud piece under 25 with years of control at a cheaper price.

If Calgary can get two first round picks, they need to jump on it and run.

Tkachuk is an extremely good player, but his contract situation decreases his value considerably. He has the leverage in any contract negotiation, so he can effectively pick his team.

Calagry will just be in the position of taking the best deal offered. Or be prepared to lose him for nothing.

You are probably right, two firsts and run. That would be marginally better than the Iginla trade (of course the Flames got 16 years of service out of Iggy compared with 6 out of Tkachuk). But I guess getting the second first instead of a 1st and a former 3rd round pick and a former 5th round pick is probably because they are getting Tkachuk for 82 games instead of the 13 games Pittsburgh got Iggy for. Plus the age difference (likely getting Tkachuk for another 8 years on top compared with maybe 3 more expected years when the Flames traded Iginla). The larger potential market for Tkachuk (assuming it is more than one team like it was for Iginla) should drive up the amount the Flames receive as well.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Bratt isn't the centerpiece in a trade with Jersey. The two players you want are Mercer and Holtz. Bratt is there for balancing salary and to give us a little immediate scoring. Calgary may have to eat a little more salary in the deal too.

Ya Bratt is the much better Corey Millen of that deal you proposed, the pieces your counting on to hit are one or both of Mercer and Holtz.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Ya Bratt is the much better Corey Millen of that deal you proposed, the pieces your counting on to hit are one or both of Mercer and Holtz.

I have seen enough of Mercer. I think that's a slam dunk.
I like Bratt more than most, but I have watched him a ton too. Holtz would be the unknown for me.