Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

I think if Johnny isn't signed next week then we are not going to be haply Flames fans.

No matter what...he will not sign until the week when UFAs tour options. Look at his agent and what happened last time. This will be a case of extract maximum leverage for maximum value.

In the end...all of this will land somewhere between and 82-88M contract. However, Gaudrovertime will advise him to wait 5 weeks for the extra potential 5M.

I believe this will be a lot like the Landeskog situation.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

I think if Johnny isn't signed next week then we are not going to be haply Flames fans.

I can’t imagine any one with the cap space or want to sign him more than the Flames can.

If he doesn’t sign, don’t be surprised if he signs for much less than we think somewhere else

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by tkflames

No matter what...he will not sign until the week when UFAs tour options. Look at his agent and what happened last time. This will be a case of extract maximum leverage for maximum value.

In the end...all of this will land somewhere between and 82-88M contract. However, Gaudrovertime will advise him to wait 5 weeks for the extra potential 5M.

I believe this will be a lot like the Landeskog situation.

The touring week isn't a thing any more.


But it you aren't particularly close to a deal 5-7 days out, I don't think it's actually a bad option to hold firm on your offer and give the player permission to see what else is out there as it's possible your 8 year offer is actually their best option.

[Southside403]

If Jonny,Mathew, want alot of the guys back to run it again take less so your team has a chance.if they wanna be like the maple leafs then good luck. Guys who take discounts that Wana play here gives the team more depth.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Southside403

If Jonny,Mathew, want alot of the guys back to run it again take less so your team has a chance.if they wanna be like the maple leafs then good luck. Guys who take discounts that Wana play here gives the team more depth.

Nobody takes discounts in their prime

[TheChief]

Nm

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Southside403

If Jonny,Mathew, want alot of the guys back to run it again take less so your team has a chance.if they wanna be like the maple leafs then good luck. Guys who take discounts that Wana play here gives the team more depth.

Generally players who take discounts are on teams that are considered elite with real chances to win the Stanley Cup.

That is not Calgary.

That’s not to say they can’t win the Cup, but they are not TB or the Avs.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Nobody takes discounts in their prime

Especially a Tkachuk

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

The touring week isn't a thing any more.


But it you aren't particularly close to a deal 5-7 days out, I don't think it's actually a bad option to hold firm on your offer and give the player permission to see what else is out there as it's possible your 8 year offer is actually their best option.

I believe sureloss or someone else mentioned that you can't actually sign to Guadreau to an 8 year contract once free agency starts. So if Gaudreau is at the point of talking to other teams and giving up the 8 years here, he's essentially gone from the Flames.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I believe sureloss or someone else mentioned that you can't actually sign to Guadreau to an 8 year contract once free agency starts. So if Gaudreau is at the point of talking to other teams and giving up the 8 years here, he's essentially gone from the Flames.

That's why I'm saying you let him talk to others before July 1 (or whatever the date is this year).

You hold firm at say 8x10M

He explores market and finds his best offer is 7x10M. Or 7x11M but without all the NTC/bonus structure he wants.

Then he can weigh the options and decide. Whatever the case, he probably gives you another chance to convince him, even if its for no other reason than improving his leverage elsewhere. Of course it could turn into a high stakes game of chicken where his agent might bluff. Or you might get an asset for their rights.

Getting to UFA sounds exciting but stressful. Ultimately it's probably gambling over the last few % of your earnings and general location control. For some people there might be a really strong curiousity to know what else is out there - this strategy is a decent compromise where you don't lose a strong piece of leverage (8th year) if you sense the player has that itch.

On the other hand if the negotiations are close then the 8th year can be a big carrot for the player to risk in the hours leading up to the deadline where it disappears.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I believe sureloss or someone else mentioned that you can't actually sign to Guadreau to an 8 year contract once free agency starts. So if Gaudreau is at the point of talking to other teams and giving up the 8 years here, he's essentially gone from the Flames.

Not quite. There's still the seven (?) day talking period before FA starts.

Stamkos for instance talked to a handful of teams before signing his eight year deal in Tampa.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Not quite. There's still the seven (?) day talking period before FA starts.

Stamkos for instance talked to a handful of teams before signing his eight year deal in Tampa.

I believe they did away with the courting period.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Not quite. There's still the seven (?) day talking period before FA starts.

Stamkos for instance talked to a handful of teams before signing his eight year deal in Tampa.

No, this is what a couple insiders were suggesting is gone. Gaudreau can't talk to any other NHL teams until he is officially a free agent...and if waits until he's a free agent the Flames lose their 8 year deal bargaining chip.

So therefore it stands to reason that if Gaudreau was mulling over an 8 year deal from the Flames but becomes a free agent the chances of him ultimately choosing Calgary on a 7 year deal is slim to none.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by jayswin

No, this is what a couple insiders were suggesting is gone. Gaudreau can't talk to any other NHL teams until he is officially a free agent...and if waits until he's a free agent the Flames lose their 8 year deal bargaining chip.

So therefore it stands to reason that if Gaudreau was mulling over an 8 year deal from the Flames but becomes a free agent the chances of him ultimately choosing Calgary on a 7 year deal is slim to none.

But the Flames could give him permission to talk to other teams earlier. Pen to paper still can't happen until the deadline...unless the team acquires signing rights.

[browna]

I think we are getting into technicalities here.

Gaudreau via his agent or whatever other means, basically know who else is interested and what they can and will pay. Maybe those numbers have moved a bit in the last months or weeks, and I am sure the Flames are right up there, but point is, some team isn’t coming out of the woodwork,that hasn’t been there for a while.

Of course no team, player agent or anyone else will say that these negotiations or offers exist for fear of league discipline.

Gaudreau basically just (as he has the last 18 months or more) has to figure out if he wants to play here for the next x number of year or somewhere else. That depends on the chances of winning it all here, team goals now, in 3 years, in 6 years, who he will be playing with as far as teammates, where he wants to have kids grow up, where his wife wants to live etc etc, because the money to set him up for the rest of his and his grand childrens lives, will be there wherever he picks…and again the options are well known weeks or months ago…any courting period or technical timing issues is for show only.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by browna

I think we are getting into technicalities here.

Gaudreau via his agent or whatever other means, basically know who else is interested and what they can and will pay. Maybe those numbers have moved a bit in the last months or weeks, and I am sure the Flames are right up there, but point is, some team isn’t coming out of the woodwork,that hasn’t been there for a while.

I'm confused with the bolded for sure. I understand they may know who's interested but what they can and will pay? How would they know that short of tampering? You just slipped that in there like it was obvious, but I don't see how Gaudreau's camp would know what teams are willing to pay when his worth as been changing all season, including playoffs.

[dissentowner]

If Gaudreau wants to stay it will get done probably well before free agency. If the Flames offer him 10.5 x 8 years he is not getting more than that from another team on a 7 year deal. I would not be surprised if JG is done within the next 2 weeks.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If Gaudreau wants to stay it will get done probably well before free agency. If the Flames offer him 10.5 x 8 years he is not getting more than that from another team on a 7 year deal. I would not be surprised if JG is done within the next 2 weeks.

I really hope so. I feel it's right around that price as well and if it is and he's willing to sign here for the extra year it should be done soon.

[browna]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I'm confused with the bolded for sure. I understand they may know who's interested but what they can and will pay? How would they know that short of tampering? You just slipped that in there like it was obvious, but I don't see how Gaudreau's camp would know what teams are willing to pay when his worth as been changing all season, including playoffs.

It basically is tampering, as my next paragraph alluded to.

Just like us fans know, at UFA time for top tier players, agents GMs player etc at that level know they are getting between 7-8 years from someone.

I am sure offers have been put back and forth over the last year or so with the Flames and JG’s camp. And other teams know what those numbers are, (just as Calgary would know what they are on FA’s they may be looking at) via the agent or other unofficial sources, but it happens league wide so it’s not something nefarious.

So teams interested and in the running these last months know that their offer is close to the Flames offer, and JG and his agent know that too, which is why they are in the running.

Sure, could one team that’s interested offer $1m more or some larger NMC assurance? Or play in a state with less taxation and thus more take home income? Sure, but I think most teams are in the ballpark for $ and term, so it really does come down to personal preference for JG and his family, as to where he wants to live and play the next 7 or 8 years of his life as opposed to who may offer an extra $500k a year at the last minute.

[powderjunkie]

The devil is in the contract details (which are harder to nail down without outright tampering), and teams have lots of irons in the fire. So Johnny's side can know that certain teams have strong interest, but those teams may also have offers 'under the table' to Forsberg or any other UFAs - Johnny can't know if he is Plan A, B, or C for those teams.