[Trade] Elias Lindholm + Noah Hanifin to Flames for D. Hamilton, Micheal Ferland, & Adam Fox

[Vinny01]

Now that Lindholm and Hanifin are both signed for 6 years at s combined $9.8M I love this deal even more!!!

[Finger Cookin]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1035354609076695041

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

https://twitter.com/user/status/1035354609076695041

And that is why I liked the trade from the minute it was announced.

Adding the contracts that the two signed is just the icing on the cake.

[GreenLantern2814]

I hope Peters tries this at some point. It looks devastating.

Tkachuk-Monahan-Neal
Gaudreau-Gio

Czarnik/Bennett/Jankowski/etc-Backlund-Lindholm
Hanifin-Brodie

[JohnnyTitan]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

And that is why I liked the trade from the minute it was announced.

Adding the contracts that the two signed is just the icing on the cake.

Fast-forward exactly 1 year and there's a good chance Carolina is left with 2 years of Hamilton control vs 10 years of Hanifan and Lindholm. No Ferland, no Fox.

And our guys will be what? 22 and 25? Awesome asset management!

[SportsJunky]

Interesting read at the Athletic this morning. The article rates teams from Stanley Cup contenders to lottery teams. The Flames are solidly in the mix and listed as playoff bound. What was interesting was a quote by an unnamed NHL coach about Hamilton moving out is addition by subtraction.

“It’s kind of like wake-up call time for these guys,” he said. “They’ve got a real solid group of defensemen. Dougie Hamilton leaving is a positive. I get a sense there’s motivation there, the team was not far off last year. They have special players that I’m anticipating have grown up a little bit over the last year. What are they missing?”

[dammage79]

Anyone else go through this thread recently. The fervor at the start was crazy. Then you can actually see the change in tone once all the info came out. The first hour after the trade and the lynch mob was out with zeal. Then, it settles. then reflection. Then hope. Then acceptance.

[DallasFlamesFan]

Anyone on here able to recommend a couple of Hurricane games from last year that are worth watching that showcase Hanifin and Lindholm?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Anyone else go through this thread recently. The fervor at the starts was crazy. then you can actually see the change in tone once all the info came out. The first hour after the trade and the lynch mob was out with zeal. then, it settles. then refelection. then hope. then acceptance.

I hated this deal when I first heard about it. Thought those players would have returned more.

But although I still think Treliving paid a steep price, I now believe it was a necessary deal for the Flames who needed to change things up, and believe that I probably overvalued the pieces going out.

I admittedly watched next to no Hurricanes games but I’m excited to see what these two can do and hope we see some huge progression from them.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I hated this deal when I first heard about it. Thought those players would have returned more.

But although I still think Treliving paid a steep price, I now believe it was a necessary deal for the Flames who needed to change things up, and believe that I probably overvalued the pieces going out...

I had a very similar initial reaction, and it likewise took me a day or two two come to a point where I really like this deal. I tend to think the initial reaction may not have been a product of overvaluing players as it is a condition that a number of us experience by which there is usually a "winner" and a "loser" on either side of nearly every NHL trade. This was a difficult deal to evaluate because there are relatively few big NHL trades which are really good for both teams—this was one of them. When it feels as though the Flames spent just as much as they received it is difficult to get excited about it at the outset. This trade took time to process, and I would warrant that both teams and both fanbases are after all very happy about the return.

[Vinny01]

The only reason the price felt steep initially was when the rumor broke we had a discussion for a couple of days thinking that Dougie alone could return Hanifin and Lindholm. In reality Dougie did not have the value of 2 former top 5 picks (especially with the age/ceiling of Hanifin)

I liked the deal from day 1 and grew to love it over the summer. Now that the Flames have both players locked up for 6 years at less than $5M per each it is even better.

For the Canes the only certainty they got was Dougie for 3 years. Ferland is in his last year and Fox may just wait it out to go ufa.

[sureLoss]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1035621999769464833

apparently Lindholm's secret nickname is "Beast"

[TheScorpion]

Well, it's no "Kevin"

[stemit14]

I think about the significance of the changes made this season of the flames and how important I think they were. While we can all debate the style of play and advanced stats that said the team should have been better... I don’t think there is any debate about how much there needed to be changed made to change the dynamic in the room. Felt like everything went wrong for the team in the last half of the season and it’s obvious some players did not respond well and neither did the coaching staff. Leading the league in posts and missed scoring chances may have just made players more frustrated with how they lost games they deserved to win.

The Brouwer buy out had to happen for many reasons but I think the biggest is that he was the largest example of some lone being given opportunity without earning it. He wasn’t even sticking up for his team mates enough the way a veteran leader should. The concept of waiting another year for his buyout to be more economical was definitely not worth the effect it would have on the mentality of the other players that this guy was getting a free ride.

The coaches had to go because of how rigid they were with line ups and power plays. And because it seems they had lost the room. I’ve heard that Peters system is not that different but he’s more of a tough coach who demands more of everyone.

If the stories about Hamilton not fitting in and what happened at his exit interview are true... then him leaving is also important for the team to start to come together. Whether he deserved to be unliked by his team mates doesn’t change the fact that he was a prominent player on the team that was obviously not gelling with the room.

Essentially, the players need to come into this season believing that changes have been made... that the distractions and doubts from last year don’t need to be repeated. Not that this is a cop-out for the players that are still here... it’s on all of them to be better and not let set-backs like a bad goal or a dumb penalty call cause them to collapse. But it feels like Treliving recognizes these changes had to be made for the psyche of the team itself.

With guys like Stajan, Brouwer and Hamilton gone... this marks a point where the young core of this team get to make it their team. Guys like gaudreau, monahan, and tkachuk can be the more vocal guys in the room and become bigger leaders. I think that eventually has to happen for a team to be a real contender. It can just be old veterans do the talking and the young guys do the walking.

The players from last year can come into camp and look around and feel like this team has gotten younger, faster, and more exciting... that the team has been refreshed rather than getting stale and continuing with the status quo. Compare that to Edmonton where they will be seeing the same faces in that dressing room that lead them to another year of futility.


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[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

https://twitter.com/user/status/1035354609076695041

I said this very thing on this thread shortly after the trade went down.

12 years for 4.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by stemit14

The players from last year can come into camp and look around and feel like this team has gotten younger, faster, and more exciting... that the team has been refreshed rather than getting stale and continuing with the status quo. Compare that to Edmonton where they will be seeing the same faces in that dressing room that lead them to another year of futility.

Exactly this. How excited Gaudreau and Monahan must be to get to have Neal on their line, excitement from Brodie who has to feel like he's been given a chance get back to the player he was. Fresh young faces with a ton to prove make it a very exciting place to come to work. Optimism.

[bigrangy]

I'm still not happy with the trade, but it's not worth losing sleep over

Hamilton is elite but doesn't get the respect that he should

Lindholm probably doesn't have another level. If he averages 50 points over the contract he'll outperform my expectations.

Ferland is a unicorn. There is nobody as tough, as disciplined, and as skilled as him in the league. And he's just breaking out. Yeah he was probably going to end up with a silly contract but I think if you give Ferland and Lindholm the same opportunities over the next couple seasons, Ferland will have a bigger impact.

Hanifin should end up elite but Hamilton already is, and it's not like Hanifin's contract is vastly better than Hamilton's during the window that is Johnny's contract imo, especially considering the expected level of performance from each player.

And then there's Fox too. Even if he wasn't going to sign, he still had value.

Maybe Hamilton and Ferland both don't care about winning and if so it's probably good that they were moved. But the Flames got worse on the ice now and for the next couple seasons.

Like a lot of people, I'm not counting on Johnny resigning when he's a UFA and this team will be nothing without him. Tkachuk and Monahan are good, but that's a recipe for another 10 years of mediocrity. I believe you need elite talent to win and that Johnny and Gio are the only two elite talents left here.

The only way the Flames benefit from the trade (at least in terms of talent) is if Hanifin becomes a strong #1 d-man, which isn't unlikely but is no guarantee.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

I'm still not happy with the trade, but it's not worth losing sleep over

Hamilton is elite but doesn't get the respect that he should

Lindholm probably doesn't have another level. If he averages 50 points over the contract he'll outperform my expectations.

Ferland is a unicorn. There is nobody as tough, as disciplined, and as skilled as him in the league. And he's just breaking out. Yeah he was probably going to end up with a silly contract but I think if you give Ferland and Lindholm the same opportunities over the next couple seasons, Ferland will have a bigger impact.

Hanifin should end up elite but Hamilton already is, and it's not like Hanifin's contract is vastly better than Hamilton's during the window that is Johnny's contract imo, especially considering the expected level of performance from each player.

And then there's Fox too. Even if he wasn't going to sign, he still had value.

Maybe Hamilton and Ferland both don't care about winning and if so it's probably good that they were moved. But the Flames got worse on the ice now and for the next couple seasons.

Like a lot of people, I'm not counting on Johnny resigning when he's a UFA and this team will be nothing without him. Tkachuk and Monahan are good, but that's a recipe for another 10 years of mediocrity. I believe you need elite talent to win and that Johnny and Gio are the only two elite talents left here.

The only way the Flames benefit from the trade (at least in terms of talent) is if Hanifin becomes a strong #1 d-man, which isn't unlikely but is no guarantee.

I like Ferland, but I think it’s crazy to suggest he’s the best in the league at any aspect of the game let alone several of them.

[Poe969]

Ferland is a pretty amazing player....right now. His contract is a deal...for now. He's not as physical as he was but he should be able to keep playing the same style...for now.

Ferland is going to cash is and get a big contract and he won't be able to maintain the style he plays a d his contract will become an albatross.

I loved him on the team but knew he had to be traded, the team took advantage of his value being at the highest it will likely ever be.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

But the Flames got worse on the ice now and for the next couple seasons.

Not sure how you can say this as no games have been played.

If the Flames finish one point better than last year, then you are in fact incorrect in your assessment.

I fully expect them to finish with quite a few more points than last year. Do you truly believe the Flames will finish with less points than last year?