The 2016 US American Election Thread

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

Again, refrain from the personal attacks and work on your argument. So I'm a laughable person, because I don't agree with your position? So are you alluding to advocating against free speech now? Wow you are good at this.

Disagreeing with someone isn't "advocating against free speech". This seems to be a favourite trope of the right wing lately. No one has argued that the state ought to sanction you somehow for your views.

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Trump that bitch.



Say "libtard" again.

You are really getting desperate now. I'm fine with sticking to my arguments, for some reason you want to constantly keep bringing it back to the schoolyard.

So what did Lauren Southern do, that was so bad against women?

[GirlySports]

An aside.. im female and a minority and i dont make less than my counterparts. Is this an american thing?

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Well, the law continues to move forward on these issues but that is only one small part of the equation (in my view). These are complex problems. Ultimately, we need to change our culture. I think that continuing to condemn the views of people like Mr. Trump (rather than dismissing them as "locker room talk") is an important part of that.

I would remind everyone that the Billy Bush recording is not the only evidence of Mr. Trump's views. When asked about his daughter and sexual harassment in the workplace, he remarked that Ivanka was too strong to be sexually harassed and that, if she were, she would find a new job (I hope I'm paraphrasing fairly). That's appalling.

So what aren't we doing in culture to change this? What do you propose?

He apologized for what he said, he's a New Yorker with an ego trip.This was condemned by him and pretty much everybody. This was 11 years ago, a lot has happened since then. If you go back to the 60's I bet you could find a racist public figure too.

I think that he's saying that she wouldn't appeal to some victim status, which seems to be the culture these days with all this anti-bullying and what not. If it is that bad and it won't stop, I guess finding another job is one way to stop it. When you have people that are fallaciously crying victim like what happened in Seattle not long ago with BLM and the whole Hugh Mungus thing, it kind of illegitimizes the whole sexual misconduct thing.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Disagreeing with someone isn't "advocating against free speech". This seems to be a favourite trope of the right wing lately. No one has argued that the state ought to sanction you somehow for your views.

"Freedom of speech" is a principle. It is distinct from, and broader than, the first amendment in the USA or s.2(b) of the Charter up here.

Suggesting that being a male feminist is the only position that's "tolerable" in society is nakedly authoritarian, particularly when no one can define what "feminist" means anymore, and if they attempt to it's usually a motte and bailey position.

Illuminaughty is pretty obviously a nut, and for that reason, is far less eyebrow-raising to me than some of the positions articulated in here by otherwise ostensibly sane people.

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Disagreeing with someone isn't "advocating against free speech". This seems to be a favourite trope of the right wing lately. No one has argued that the state ought to sanction you somehow for your views.

No no, you are missing it. What he said was, he is forced to tolerate different positions because of living in a free country.

This is what the left actually does, how could you even argue differently? Free speech I would say is one of the pillars of the right wing view. Pretty much personal freedoms in general really.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Illiminaughty assumes none of us pay attention to anything Trump supporters believe, because that's the only way anyone could think he isn't. He literally uses every Trump supporter talking point. Maybe just embrace it?

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

"Freedom of speech" is a principle. It is distinct from, and broader than, the first amendment in the USA or s.2(b) of the Charter up here.

Suggesting that being a male feminist is the only position that's "tolerable" in society is nakedly authoritarian, particularly when no one can define what "feminist" means anymore, and if they attempt to it's usually a motte and bailey position.

Illuminaughty is pretty obviously a nut, and for that reason, is far less eyebrow-raising to me than some of the positions articulated in here by otherwise ostensibly sane people.

Yes, I guess believing in personal rights,freedoms,property, the free market and small government is the view of a crazy person.

Care to articulate an actual argument?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Not really. This thread has gotten really terrible lately, and not entirely because of you. Although, feel free to take a large share of the credit.

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Illiminaughty assumes none of us pay attention to anything Trump supporters believe, because that's the only way anyone could think he isn't. He literally uses every Trump supporter talking point. Maybe just embrace it?

I'm actually a Ron and Rand Paul supporter, if I was forced to chose. You kind of are forced to default to Trump though now against Hillary. It's funny how upset the left get by Trump and he's not afraid to say things even if they are wrong. Hillary on the other hand just lies and says whatever to get elected, then caters to her corporate handlers and is never held accountable.

[Drak]

You guys are arguing with a crazy person. It will go nowhere.

[metallicat]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

An aside.. im female and a minority and i dont make less than my counterparts. Is this an american thing?

Do you work in a collectively bargained government job?

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

An aside.. im female and a minority and i dont make less than my counterparts. Is this an american thing?

No it's a mythical thing.

[Drak]

People that claim facts are myths and use conspiracy theories to back up their claims and deny the presented facts are not worth debating with.

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Not really. This thread has gotten really terrible lately, and not entirely because of you. Although, feel free to take a large share of the credit.

Just what I thought, none of you actually seem to have any valid arguments other then virtue pandering and shots at Trump.

It's clear obviously discussion isn't wanted here, this thread appears to be little more then cheerleading for Hillary and PC pats on the back. I wouldn't want to be the one responsible for breaking up the party with actual points.

I'll go in peace.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

It's clear obviously discussion isn't wanted here, this thread appears to be little more then cheerleading for Hillary and PC pats on the back.

Pretty much, yeah.

Originally Posted by GirlySports

An aside.. im female and a minority and i dont make less than my counterparts. Is this an american thing?

No. Again, if you did, it would be illegal. I really do not want to get into this debate because I'd just be perceived as being essentially the same as this nutbar, but briefly, the wage gap reflects differences in gross earnings between the sexes, it doesn't account for the different proportions of men and women that do different jobs, which in turn have different wages associated with them, among a thousand other things. It's a bird's eye view.

It's not at all surprising that at your particular job, or in your industry, pay levels are basically equal. It's the same in mine - a woman doing the same job as me at the same level of experience makes an equivalent amount of money, notwithstanding that men in Canada make way, way more money at my job than women do if you add up the totals.

[Dogbert]

Somebody firebombed a GOP campaign office in North Carolina.

I think we all know there's going to be violence from the Trump side around election day, but some people on the opposite side need to smarten up and realize that it's going to be worse if our side starts it.

[Illuminaughty]

Originally Posted by Drak

People that claim facts are myths and use conspiracy theories to back up their claims and deny the presented facts are not worth debating with.

My challenge still stands to you bro, pick any position and we can argue the points of it. I know you won't because you already built your excuse in. HAHAHA prove me right.

The only thing you can say is that the allegations against Hillary are just "conspiracy theories", but why are there so many of these allegations against her and hubby Bill? These are not good people, and Trumps no gem either.

[Drak]

Originally Posted by Illuminaughty

Just what I thought, none of you actually seem to have any valid arguments other then virtue pandering and shots at Trump.

It's clear obviously discussion isn't wanted here, this thread appears to be little more then cheerleading for Hillary and PC pats on the back. I wouldn't want to be the one responsible for breaking up the party with actual points.

I'll go in peace.

FYI, you came in guns blazing with conspiracy theories to start yourself off. Then you became very defensive.

If there was a more moderate candidate running on the GOP side I'm sure you'd see a more reasonable and fair debate between both sides. There are many conservatives on this board. Unfortunately we're dealing with an extreme unprecedented ridiculous candidate that is completely unfit for office in Donald Trump. Makes it difficult for a level headed poster to lay down what some might deem fair.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

Do you work in a collectively bargained government job?

Yes im in a union the last 4 years. But ive worked in a few places over the years. Service, clerical, day, night, union, non-union. Ive left places for more money. Ive never thought i was being held back because of race and gender.

Is it different elsewhere?