CP Mafia 4 - The Unknown Host - Game Over!

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Yes, I was wrong with my logic. I do not have the luxury of foresight, I don't know who is town or who is host like you do. It was actually the opposite, that there wasn't an out for you guys so you couldn't all vote together and couldn't get anything going.

This is not correct at all. You said that PE, myself and Peanut are the hosts. You've built pages of arguments stating this. If this is what you believe, then why would we be happy to let things go with one of us being lynched? This has nothing to do with foresight. This is you being caught. I don't know who all the hosts are, but I am guessing you do.

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

My vote for Timbo probably saved one of you three and possibly cost the town the game.

This is laughable.

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Today you opened up differently and quickly, all 3 of you come out and vote or mention your suspicion of me. If it's lynch or lose, all you need is 1 person to agree.

I have been on you for several days. Don't act like I haven't posted pages about you. I voted for you. If neither of us are lynched today, I'll vote for you again on Day 8.

Peanut's been suspicious of you for a few days as well. Don't act like this is new information. She's voted for you before and she openly campaigned for people to join her.

PE and I both had the same suspicions about you and the spore. This is also not new.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Squiggs96, if I voted Timbo to save a host and you and Party Elephant were the top 2 vote getters, and I certainly didn't save you, then I saved Party Elephant right? Is that your argument?

Let's both vote Party Elephant, we both think he is scum.

[Hockeyguy15]

Has the possibility of Puxlut being passed the spore been talked about?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

[*]Peanut was voting for Party Elephant. She was not voting for you. Her vote had been on PE for over 48 hours. I believe the PE vote was her first vote of the game day, and she switched to Timbo to save herself. Peanut voted for you the previous day. On Day 6 she changed her tune once I started voting for you and said I looked suspicious.[/LIST]

This is another issue. She goes for me, as hard as she has for anyone I would say, and the next day drops it for no reason.

I do have a big target on my back, I know this. So it makes sense for the host to keep me around, the fact that the three of you only came together today to vote me out (you and Party Elephant vote, Peanut saying she is suspicious) happens to be the day that it might be lynch or lose is completely suspicious. All of you have been suspicious, as you noted, what was the max amount of votes I've ever had at once though?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Has the possibility of Puxlut being passed the spore been talked about?

Of course she would reveal if she did, so the only time she could have been would have been tonight and she doesn't know it yet. She may have received it, but from a turned/host, I feel like they would go for numbers when they were almost certainly at 4 heading into the night.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Squiggs96, if I voted Timbo to save a host and you and Party Elephant were the top 2 vote getters, and I certainly didn't save you, then I saved Party Elephant right? Is that your argument?

Let's both vote Party Elephant, we both think he is scum.

My argument is that you think you saved a host. That would mean one of me or PE is a host. I know I'm not. I don't know if PE is or not.

Right now top three for hosts are Oling, mrkajz and bizaro.

I've changed that third one quite a bit. I have voted for PE in the past, and I think I thought GGG was the third one before the reveal. That might have been for how he questioned me about why I thought the Captain killed Seb.

I'll vote for mrkajz if you do.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Of course she would reveal if she did, so the only time she could have been would have been tonight and she doesn't know it yet. She may have received it, but from a turned/host, I feel like they would go for numbers when they were almost certainly at 4 heading into the night.

What if the reason they killed Seb was because they gave Puxlut the spore to remove her immunity? Then by killing Seb they get the spore back and remove her immunity to it. She has nothing to report because she was never asked to pass it because it was recalled?

That way if any of us get the spore and pass it to her we think we are safe when we really aren't. They then have an inside man if she is turned, and if she isn't she isn't any wiser about it.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

My argument is that you think you saved a host. That would mean one of me or PE is a host. I know I'm not. I don't know if PE is or not.

Right now top three for hosts are Oling, mrkajz and bizaro.

So I saved Party Elephant but you're not suspicious of him? That doesn't make much sense.

Originally Posted by squiggs96

I'll vote for mrkajz if you do.

Why would I? Outside of a GGG/Puxlut insistence I do not believe he is host.

You think I saved Party Elephant, but don't want to vote for him. Okay.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

What if the reason they killed Seb was because they gave Puxlut the spore to remove her immunity? Then by killing Seb they get the spore back and remove her immunity to it. She has nothing to report because she was never asked to pass it because it was recalled?

That way if any of us get the spore and pass it to her we think we are safe when we really aren't. They then have an inside man if she is turned, and if she isn't she isn't any wiser about it.

I suppose that's a possibility. A crappy one for us though.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

So I saved Party Elephant but you're not suspicious of him? That doesn't make much sense.

Why would I? Outside of a GGG/Puxlut insistence I do not believe he is host.

You think I saved Party Elephant, but don't want to vote for him. Okay.

That is not anywhere near what I said. Not once did I say anything remotely like that.

You have said you think PE, Peanut and I are the hosts. You said you think you saved a host. How does that anywhere say that I think PE is a host. This is reaching, even for you. I never said you saved PE. I said you were successful in lynching Timbo.

You said you think you saved a host. I never once said you did. I said it was laughable that you are trying to proclaim that you saved a host.

Here's my post:

Originally Posted by squiggs96

This is laughable.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I suppose that's a possibility. A crappy one for us though.

Technically she could be turned right now if they went that route.

Night 0-Day 1 Oling unturned
Night 1-Day 2 Girly unturned
Night 2-Day 3 No spore
Night 3-Day 4 Seb turned
Night 4-Day 5 Pux Given spore unturned
Night 5-Day 6 Seb killed spore recalled, given to Pux again and is turned
Night 6-Day 7 Someone has it and is either turned or not

That would be a pretty good scenario for the hosts because when they pass her the spore for the second time, if she fails to be turned someone could jump in and say "I passed her the spore, I was unturned"

[Oling_Roachinen]

So Squiggs96, you don't think that any host were in trouble when I voted Timbo?

You think that I just decided that going for Timbo would be funner? Seriously what's your reasoning for me shifting the votes to Timbo?

If I'm scum, I voted Timbo and pushed for Timbo because I didn't like where the votes were, is this not your argument? The votes were on you and Party Elephant. I didn't save you, so did I save Party Elephant?

If they gave me the spore, I would have been unturned but I would know I had it because I would have had to pass it on that night. And then the next day I would have reported to you guys that they removed my immunity.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Hockeyguy15's suggesting that it's a possibility they gave you the spore already, but killed SebC to receive the spore back so you wouldn't even know you had the spore.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Puxlut

If they gave me the spore, I would have been unturned but I would know I had it because I would have had to pass it on that night. And then the next day I would have reported to you guys that they removed my immunity.

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

What if the reason they killed Seb was because they gave Puxlut the spore to remove her immunity? Then by killing Seb they get the spore back and remove her immunity to it. She has nothing to report because she was never asked to pass it because it was recalled?

That way if any of us get the spore and pass it to her we think we are safe when we really aren't. They then have an inside man if she is turned, and if she isn't she isn't any wiser about it.

I laid it out right here.

I'm on my phone, so can't search well. Can someone find the post that whose actions come first at night. My understanding is that the first time I get the spore I find out at night when Maz asks me who I want to pass it to. If the Captain wants it back he kills Seb but has to wait a day to get it back.
Or Mazrim can expand on this?

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

So Squiggs96, you don't think that any host were in trouble when I voted Timbo?

You think that I just decided that going for Timbo would be funner? Seriously what's your reasoning for me shifting the votes to Timbo?

If I'm scum, I voted Timbo and pushed for Timbo because I didn't like where the votes were, is this not your argument? The votes were on you and Party Elephant. I didn't save you, so did I save Party Elephant?

Why would PE and I be content to have one of us lynched, if both of us are hosts? This makes absolutely no sense.

I don't get what you were thinking, because your statements contradict each other. You gave a bunch of reasons for voting Timbo. One of them was you thought the hosts were happy with how the day was going. This would imply that either PE or myself, who were the top two vote getters, were about to get lynched. If PE and myself are both town, then yes the hosts would want this. In your post when you voted Timbo, you said the hosts were happy with this. You voted Timbo to try and move the votes away from both of us, because you said the hosts were content, but then next thing I know you call PE and I hosts.

Since then you have gone on diatribes about how PE and I are both hosts, with Peanut being the third. If you really thought this, then why would you think the hosts would have been happy with one of their own being lynched? If you thought PE and I were hosts why would you vote for Timbo, instead of either of PE and I? You've said that PE and I are for sure scum. You've posted "evidence" of it all over the place. In spite of that, you vote for Timbo, and all 7 votes come off of us.

Your vote for Timbo baffles me. Instead of you voting for one of your top two scum picks, you go for someone else. Then you try and say you lost the game for the town. Your logic is flawed. The vote is flawed. The end result is a dead townie. You have manufactured the PE element to this. It's because your logic has fallen apart.

My best guess on why you voted Timbo, is you didn't want to vote for me, knowing that once you did, and I flip town, that you would be the next to go. You might feel that Timbo is a better player than I am and he can convince the rest of the town to follow him to lynch you. You knew you had enough suspicions on me that it would be easier to vote Timbo on Day 6 and try and get me on Day 7. If you had lynched me on Day 6, I think there would be way more heat on you today. I'm still baffled after Timbo calling for your head, me continuing to do it, that I have gotten basically zero support.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Mazrim

The Captain will send the host spore first. On Night 0 (pre-game night), he will send the spore to a player of his choosing, so there could be a player turned on Day 1. The spore works as follows:

• Each night, whoever has the spore must pass it on to another player. If they do not submit a choice, I will decide via random.org.
• Whoever receives the spore has a 50% chance of being turned, assuming they are town-aligned at the time. If turned, they will change alignment and goals to align with the host. I will use random.org’s coin flipper (with a Canadian Loonie, of course) to determine this. Heads, you stay town, tails, you are turned.
• If the holder of the spore is lynched, it will return to the Captain, but he must kill a turned player for this to happen. Otherwise he must wait a full day to regain the spore.
• If the Captain is dead when the holder of the spore is lynched, the Second in Command can receive the spore ONLY by killing a turned player, and he must also wait a day. The Engineer is the same, after the Second in Command dies.
• If the holder of the spore is not lynched and the host wishes to recover it, they must kill a turned player and wait the timeframes listed previously.
• The hosts are protected from the spore, and cannot be turned by receiving it.

I read it as if he kills the player (Seb) he gets it back right away because he doesn't need to wait a day.

Is there a scenario where devo had the spore when he was lynched?

Now I'm worried but I can't see them targeting me. I'm not a strong player.other than getting me to lead a vote against a townie. Who said everyone should vote with GGG and I?