2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Marner said he wants to sign a long term deal in Toronto.

Every year the Leafs lose in the 1st round, but this year was the 1st year you could blame injuries for their loss. Every year they lose, they lose to a good team too. It's not like they got LA, Nashville or Washington type team in the 1st round and lost to a team that would be considered an upset. I doubt Treliving does anything here that the media is suggesting

Leafs have 16 guys signed nearly $19mil cap and 4 RFA's that might get $5 mil total. 20 guys signed and 13-14 mil cap space, they could make some big moves.

The following year Marner contract goes up, but Taveres is up as well.

It's not like they are a bad team, people need to relax. Marner will be a Leaf for a long time

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

But why not focus on trying to get more out of picks at that spot or in the other rounds. Nothing wrong with getting better at drafting.

You can't get superstar players in that spot most years, but you can get pretty good ones if you really dial it in. I get that you and the tank crew want the Flames to be dead last for the next 5 years. But there will be years coming out of this cycle where the Flames will draft 12 to 25...they need to focus on maximizing the entire draft haul every season. Not sure shy it makes you so mad to say otherwise. Plus even 5 straight #1 picks will do nothing if the support cast does nothing. You need 2-3 guys pushing for jobs every season.

Not sure how I am mad? I never said we need to bottom out every year either. I literally just said the other day as soon as you pick top 3, you should start to plan to turn things around. Also said we need more picks, and become a great drafting team.

What I am talking about is right now. We have no one to build around. We have people talking about throwing assets at getting a like Zegras. How does that help the future? Trading any assets today right now would be terrible, we need to build our base back up.

The foundation to a winner has always been the same. #1C and #1D and we won't find them unless we draft them.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Cycling76er

Or even better, when there’s an actual, credible rumour instead of wild trade proposals and fantasy draft scenarios.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Every year the Leafs lose in the 1st round, but this year was the 1st year you could blame injuries for their loss. Every year they lose, they lose to a good team too. It's not like they got LA, Nashville or Washington type team in the 1st round and lost to a team that would be considered an upset. I doubt Treliving does anything here that the media is suggesting

Leafs have 16 guys signed nearly $19mil cap and 4 RFA's that might get $5 mil total. 20 guys signed and 13-14 mil cap space, they could make some big moves.

The following year Marner contract goes up, but Taveres is up as well.

It's not like they are a bad team, people need to relax. Marner will be a Leaf for a long time

Treliving also likes to work around the edges, make some bad signing like a Brouwer or Neal before he actually makes a core move.

I also don't see anyone who wants out from that team. Marner is also up for a extension this summer, Treliving probably has PTSD so he likely wants to get that one done right away.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

But why not focus on trying to get more out of picks at that spot or in the other rounds. Nothing wrong with getting better at drafting.

Of course there isn’t an issue with getting better at drafting but it can’t be the plan to try and build a contender. Draft better is equivalent to telling a depressed person to smile more, it can’t be the fix. There needs to be an actual plan to get a team to contender status. Drafting mid and trying to just get in with vets isn’t a blue print for a cup winner.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Not sure how I am mad? I never said we need to bottom out every year either. I literally just said the other day as soon as you pick top 3, you should start to plan to turn things around. Also said we need more picks, and become a great drafting team.

What I am talking about is right now. We have no one to build around. We have people talking about throwing assets at getting a like Zegras. How does that help the future? Trading any assets today right now would be terrible, we need to build our base back up.

The foundation to a winner has always been the same. #1C and #1D and we won't find them unless we draft them.

If we won the lottery and got #1 pick, I would be ok with a plan that adds players and doesn't focus on tanking for many years. But we need at least 1 guy to take our prospect pool to the next level.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

If we won the lottery and got #1 pick, I would be ok with a plan that adds players and doesn't focus on tanking for many years. But we need at least 1 guy to take our prospect pool to the next level.

I would say we would need to go through another draft, it's just not a great roster right now and I don't think Macklin is a guy to carry this team right away.

Also a bit concerning is that 2023 draft, Honzek and Morin have not progressed like we would have liked so far.

No one wants to suck for years and years, but you also can't send picks out and draft 15th because you want to make the playoffs with a flawed roster and now the draft comes and you have 3 picks and you missed the playoffs.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Not saying Marner but the Flames need a star player who plays like a star...like 90+ point player. I know you guys want to suck for 5 or 6 years but it will be the death of the franchise. People need a reason to come watch, buy jerseys ect. Flames can't lose a generation of kids.

Before the "suck and draft one" crowd chimes in I know...and hopefully both things happen but IMO the Flames don't have that luxury to just be absolutely terrible like SJ.

Even in the worst of the worst days we had Theo, Iggy, ect. IF someone could get Marner at a value price it could be smart, I never buy the can't play in the playoffs crap...it also takes offence to get there. My guess is Marner is on a deep run with a US team within a couple years...Leaf fans Pokemon face.

They have already lost a generation of kids.

But let's separate kids from 'people who buy tickets' for a moment (I think you were blending the two with your comment). The Flames are not at risk of people stopping buying tickets - I mean sure, if they suck for several years ST sales will drop. But not a lot. And the moment they are competitive again, fans will be back in the seats.

So that's the one side of it. The other is the kids. I think the Flames have already lost them. And the way to get them back is to acquire some exciting young talent. And the only way to do that is through the draft - and not being very good for 2 or 3 years (at a minimum).

Trading for someone like Marner would cause the team to LOSE more fans than it would gain.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Every year the Leafs lose in the 1st round, but this year was the 1st year you could blame injuries for their loss. Every year they lose, they lose to a good team too. It's not like they got LA, Nashville or Washington type team in the 1st round and lost to a team that would be considered an upset. I doubt Treliving does anything here that the media is suggesting

Leafs have 16 guys signed nearly $19mil cap and 4 RFA's that might get $5 mil total. 20 guys signed and 13-14 mil cap space, they could make some big moves.

The following year Marner contract goes up, but Taveres is up as well.

It's not like they are a bad team, people need to relax. Marner will be a Leaf for a long time

Toronto has indicated it wants to resign Domi and Betruzzi, and needs 2 good dmen and a goalie to share games with Woll.

That will get them back, more or less, to last year's team.

But I thought the goal was to improve the team?

[Royle9]

Marner can posture like he wants to sign long term, he’s not going to come out and blast the organization. Johnny, Matthew and Elias all said the same thing.

However;

1. Toronto has basically confirmed changed to the top 4 is necessary
2. I’ve heard rumblings that Marner would welcome a change

When you look at the big 4, you can pretty much guarantee that Matthew’s and Nylander aren’t going anywhere. So that leaves Marner and Tavares as the odd men out, but in terms of the best return for Toronto, Marner makes far more sense than a downward trajectory Tavares.

Goaltending and Defence are the two big holes for Toronto with absolutely nothing in the pipeline. The only way to fix this is free agency (no cap room) or Trades which leaves Marner firmly as the odd man out no matter how you spin it. I’m almost certain he’s moved along with a coaching change.

[SemicolonD]

Marner would benefit from being in a US market so there's no recognition or criticism of him. I don't think Calgary is that much of a step down from Toronto in the scrutiny department. He'll still be a whipping boy potentially if he's overpaid.

[dissentowner]

From what I have been able to dig up as far as the situation with Marner goes is what I have said all along, he doesn't want out of Toronto at all and wants to stay. If Treliving can convince Marner to accept a trade it will have to be a team of Marner's choosing and it will have to come with a long term extension agreed to or a sign and trade. Marner has all the power here, Tree is not going to let him walk to free agency for nothing, if he wants to stay he pretty much has the team over a barrel.

[topfiverecords]

Incoming Marner to Florida for Reinhart, Montour, 1st and a prospect.

Then signs Reinhart to 8x10.5.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Marner can posture like he wants to sign long term, he’s not going to come out and blast the organization. Johnny, Matthew and Elias all said the same thing.

However;

1. Toronto has basically confirmed changed to the top 4 is necessary
2. I’ve heard rumblings that Marner would welcome a change

When you look at the big 4, you can pretty much guarantee that Matthew’s and Nylander aren’t going anywhere. So that leaves Marner and Tavares as the odd men out, but in terms of the best return for Toronto, Marner makes far more sense than a downward trajectory Tavares.

Goaltending and Defence are the two big holes for Toronto with absolutely nothing in the pipeline. The only way to fix this is free agency (no cap room) or Trades which leaves Marner firmly as the odd man out no matter how you spin it. I’m almost certain he’s moved along with a coaching change.

Kipper said he wanted to stay with the Flames, had a NMC, and he stayed with the Flames. That is usually how it works when the player wants to stay on a team and has a NMC. All of your examples are players who did not have NMC’s.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

From what I have been able to dig up as far as the situation with Marner goes is what I have said all along, he doesn't want out of Toronto at all and wants to stay. If Treliving can convince Marner to accept a trade it will have to be a team of Marner's choosing and it will have to come with a long term extension agreed to or a sign and trade. Marner has all the power here, Tree is not going to let him walk to free agency for nothing, if he wants to stay he pretty much has the team over a barrel.

I hope he stays then. And Tre walks him right to free agency

[Tbull8]

Gotta think he tries to move him. If they really want to take a shot at McDavid they have to

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Incoming Marner to Florida for Reinhart, Montour, 1st and a prospect.

Then signs Reinhart to 8x10.5.

And Florida would do that why?

If Reinhart does a sign a trade, his value would equate to Marner, more or less, as long as Marner signed. In which case Florida would just keep Reinhart.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Incoming Marner to Florida for Reinhart, Montour, 1st and a prospect.

Then signs Reinhart to 8x10.5.

Wouldn't trade Reinhart straight up for Marner, let a lone add a boatload. Terrible for the Panthers.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Marner has all the power here, Tree is not going to let him walk to free agency for nothing, if he wants to stay he pretty much has the team over a barrel.

Tree may have no choice but to walk him to UFA. As you say, it’s completely up to Marner. If Marner really wants to stay, that may be his best strategy. Put Tree between a rock and a hard place. Sign him or lose him for nothing.

[Paulie Walnuts]

You guys seriously not seeing that he’s talking about the Tkachuk trade lol.

he can quickly package that 1st along with Matthew to chase cap space to sign Tavares to a new 8 year 125 million deal.