2020 NFL Season Thread

[Senator Clay Davis]

Come on Girly, when Fitz is completing passes like this you could be up 6 and the Dolphins are on their own 1 with 1 second left and you will lose. The Power of the Fitz compels.

[browna]

Can't get over that throw. The throw of the season for me. Mahomes and all the fawning over his no look passes has nothing on this.

It's one thing if the facemask is late in the throw, but the guy got his facemask just as he started his throwing motion. By the time he released the ball his head was at a 90 degree angle, but the accuracy and distance was right on, for a throw 35 yards downfield.

And it wasn't a grab and release facemask, he got tossed to the ground by the force of the facemask.

[GirlySports]

LOL sure. but it's still a strategic question I'd rather be up by 5 or possibly 7 with 1:00 left. Plus it takes kicking out of it, bad snaps and stupid things like that.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

This is setting up for the Ravens to miss the playoffs at 11-5

Good.

Though the Dolphins still have to go to Buffalo next Sunday....and that could be an issue be it the Allen factor or weather or whatever.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

LOL sure. but it's still a strategic question I'd rather be up by 5 or possibly 7 with 1:00 left. Plus it takes kicking out of it, bad snaps and stupid things like that.

If the Raiders did anything wrong it was oddly forcing the penalty against the Dolphins on that 3rd and 1. If the Raiders just run it and convert they can bleed the entire clock, but the penalty gets the first down and stops the clock for free. Maybe the Dolphins intentionally took the penalty?

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

If the Raiders did anything wrong it was oddly forcing the penalty against the Dolphins on that 3rd and 1. If the Raiders just run it and convert they can bleed the entire clock, but the penalty gets the first down and stops the clock for free. Maybe the Dolphins intentionally took the penalty?

Sure but they were afraid of not converting. Then you're kicking with 1:30 left.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

If the Raiders did anything wrong it was oddly forcing the penalty against the Dolphins on that 3rd and 1. If the Raiders just run it and convert they can bleed the entire clock, but the penalty gets the first down and stops the clock for free. Maybe the Dolphins intentionally took the penalty?

Clock was already stopped as Miami had called a timeout there before the penalty. So taking or declining the penalty makes no difference since Miami had stopped the clock after the last play so it doesn't start again until the next play is off.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

LOL sure. but it's still a strategic question I'd rather be up by 5 or possibly 7 with 1:00 left. Plus it takes kicking out of it, bad snaps and stupid things like that.

That is assuming a 2 point convert...for the record I try for the TD on third down

Missed pat was big

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Clock was already stopped as Miami had called a timeout there before the penalty.

Right, but if the Raiders run it and get the first down the clock keeps running and the Dolphins burn that final timeout. Three knees kills the clock. But the penalty converting it gave the first down while saving the Dolphins the need to use a timeout after the first down conversion. In the end it allowed them to get it back with 20 seconds left and obviously that was enough. I guess the Raiders could have declined the penalty, but that's tough to think through in the moment.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Right, but if the Raiders run it and get the first down the clock keeps running and the Dolphins burn that final timeout. Three knees kills the clock. But the penalty converting it gave the first down while saving the Dolphins the need to use a timeout after the first down conversion. In the end it allowed them to get it back with 20 seconds left and obviously that was enough. I guess the Raiders could have declined the penalty, but that's tough to think through in the moment.

Decline the penalty? You say that like converting 3rd and 1 is a sure thing.

[GirlySports]

I always go for the TD, even if it costs me 30 seconds. I hate kickers.

I would only kick if the clock goes to 0:00 at the end of it.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Decline the penalty? You say that like converting 3rd and 1 is a sure thing.

It should be a sure thing, it's amazing teams ever turn around and hand it off, QB sneak should be pretty straightforward for one yard. I'm not even saying it's the right play, but that is how they could have bled the whole clock. And even not a sure thing it's still an 80-20 thing. But like I said it's not easy to think that in the moment. You think just by converting no matter what you should win the game, and the Raiders were still at 99.9% GWC after the FG. Fitz is just one of the 0.01% of guys who can do that obviously.

[tsquared1967]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Gruden told the kicker to miss a pat, for a face mask on the QB, and for a defensive player to abandon his man? It's a comedy of errors none of which were the game plan.

I would have scored on 3rd down though...make them get a TD. Raiders were done anyway realistically though...loss is better long term

You don’t call cover-2 with the corners at the line of scrimmage playing bump and release. You drop them 20 yards and you don’t give the sidelines as the Dolphins do not have a timeout. This is what the Jets did and they got burned. Gruden is a veteran coach who called the wrong defense. I agree that they should have scored on third down. The Jets DC was fired when he made the same call a few weeks ago.

[Sylvanfan]

Buffalo is in an interesting spot now. They get to watch how things unfold tomorrow before playing on Monday night. If Indianapolis, Green Bay, Cleveland, and Baltimore all win, than the Bill's lock up the 2 seed with a win on Monday.

At which point the Bill's might set themselves up to play the Ravens if they beat Miami. Or they rest guys and take a dive to let Miami in and keep the Ravens out. I would personally avoid the Ravens, but Miami is a Division foe.

Will be interesting to see how it shakes out.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Buffalo is in an interesting spot now. They get to watch how things unfold tomorrow before playing on Monday night. If Indianapolis, Green Bay, Cleveland, and Baltimore all win, than the Bill's lock up the 2 seed with a win on Monday.

At which point the Bill's might set themselves up to play the Ravens if they beat Miami. Or they rest guys and take a dive to let Miami in and keep the Ravens out. I would personally avoid the Ravens, but Miami is a Division foe.

Will be interesting to see how it shakes out.

The Ravens are totally missing the playoffs at 11-5.

They will probably be the best team to ever miss the playoffs , AND that’s with 7 playoff teams this year

I guess maybe Jets can beat Cleveland tomorrow with all Cleveland’s WRs on Covid ?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by tsquared1967

You don’t call cover-2 with the corners at the line of scrimmage playing bump and release. You drop them 20 yards and you don’t give the sidelines as the Dolphins do not have a timeout. This is what the Jets did and they got burned. Gruden is a veteran coach who called the wrong defense. I agree that they should have scored on third down. The Jets DC was fired when he made the same call a few weeks ago.

Without the facemask they are nowhere near FG range...even with the miraculous play the receiver was tackled almost immediately and it would have been game over.

Much like the Jets though the loss helps more than it hurts in the long run...Raiders O is good but their D is terrible they have some work to do.

[Senator Clay Davis]

I mean even with the facemask the ball was caught at the Raiders 41, already within range for a FG, and the TE caught it and fell out of bounds so the clock didn't matter. Watching it again but without the facemask Fitz probably hits him in stride for a TD. Still wasn't as bad as the Jets throwing the game, but it was an abysmal defensive playcall.

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I mean even with the facemask the ball was caught at the Raiders 41, already within range for a FG, and the TE caught it and fell out of bounds so the clock didn't matter. Watching it again but without the facemask Fitz probably hits him in stride for a TD. Still wasn't as bad as the Jets throwing the game, but it was an abysmal defensive playcall.

I'm not sure I'd call a 59 yard attempt for a guy whose career long is 56 as "in field goal range", even for a great kicker that is a long kick. He missed from 52 last week.

You could take a crack but it's far from a sure thing.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Of course a 59 yarder isn't a gimme, but the Dolphins could have kicked a FG without gaining another yard. And like I said without the facemask there's a good chance Fitz hits the guy in stride for a TD. The rare time playing the prevent box was the smart play, even the same yardage gained in bounds is gonna be tough to get a spike in.

[transplant99]

Not sure how........but the Browns have 0 yards rushing through 15 minutes....against the Jets.