Girl Attacked in Calgary Schoolyard or Kids will be Kids?

[JustAnotherGuy]

Everybody involved with this situation should be investigated. That includes the 16 year old male, the 12 year old female, the parents of both of these kids and the people that observed this event.

We don't know all of the details but those are the primary groups that are responsible.

[flylock shox]

A recent story indicating North American girls are maturing (physically) earlier:


The study, published in Monday's online issue of the journal Pediatrics, looked at more than 1,200 girls age six to eight in New York, Ohio and California. It compared the age when the girls showed early signs of puberty against the results of a similar study from 13 years ago.

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Among seven-year-olds, about 10.4 per cent of white girls, 23.4 per cent of black girls and almost 15 per cent of Hispanic girls had started developing breasts.

Among eight-year-olds, 18.3 per cent of white girls, nearly 43 per cent of black girls and just under 31 per cent of Hispanic girls showed evidence of breast development.

"The proportion of girls who had breast development at ages seven and eight years, particularly among white girls, is greater than that reported from studies of girls who were born 10 to 30 years earlier," the study's authors concluded.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

would that make it acceptable?

That's the problem. I don't think anyone is saying what happened was acceptable.

The issue is that there's a difference between a 16 year-old adolescent who made a ridiculously stupid decision and an adult sexual predator, or even a 16 year-old violent rapist. Since we don't have any of the information that the police and/or prosecutors have, we can't really conclude where on the spectrum this event lies.



Sadly, I would guess that this girl was not the only 12 year-old girl in the City of Calgary who had sex on the long weekend, and she's probably not the only one to do it with a 16 year-old (or older). If they weren't dumb enough to do it publicly in broad daylight with other kids looking on, nothing likely would have ever come from it.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

Among seven-year-olds, about 10.4 per cent of white girls, 23.4 per cent of black girls and almost 15 per cent of Hispanic girls had started developing breasts.

Among eight-year-olds, 18.3 per cent of white girls, nearly 43 per cent of black girls and just under 31 per cent of Hispanic girls showed evidence of breast development.

"The proportion of girls who had breast development at ages seven and eight years, particularly among white girls, is greater than that reported from studies of girls who were born 10 to 30 years earlier," the study's authors concluded.[/I]

That could just be fat kids though.

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Sorry I don't believe that someone who is 12 years old can be sexually mature and in the off chance that there is someone who could be considered psychologically sexually mature I think that there is something wrong with that from a societal standpoint.

From a legal standpoint, a 12 year old can consent to sex with someone up to 14 years old. Morally/psychologically/etc. is another story. But don't kid yourself, there is a small (?) portion of 12 year olds that are consenting to sex, and as a canadian society, that is legal.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

Among seven-year-olds, about 10.4 per cent of white girls, 23.4 per cent of black girls and almost 15 per cent of Hispanic girls had started developing breasts.

Among eight-year-olds, 18.3 per cent of white girls, nearly 43 per cent of black girls and just under 31 per cent of Hispanic girls showed evidence of breast development.

"The proportion of girls who had breast development at ages seven and eight years, particularly among white girls, is greater than that reported from studies of girls who were born 10 to 30 years earlier," the study's authors concluded.[/I]

It's caused by flouride, GM foods, godless atheism, loud music, peanut allergies, the mercury in vaccinations, and/or the imminent collapse of society! Maybe all of them.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by jammies

It's caused by flouride, GM foods, godless atheism, loud music, peanut allergies, the mercury in vaccinations, and/or the imminent collapse of society! Maybe all of them.

All of these can be wrapped under the umbrella of not leading a thoughtful life.

[IliketoPuck]

Originally Posted by peter12

That's revolting.

You clearly didn't read the previous 5 pages. Which dealt with a girl and a teacher in a tent, not the actual story regarding the OP.

Time for you to gallop off into the sunset on your steed of moral superiority Peter.

[VladtheImpaler]

From the legal point of view, I think he will plead to sexual interference with a minor and the sexual assault charge will go away. Just a guess. I don't know, maybe because I'm not a parent (for 12 more weeks or so), I just don't feel horrified by this - I just file it away under "stupid kids being stupid kids"... Yeah, it's inappropriate and should not happen, but I offer these thoughts:

1) girls generally mature a lot faster than boys
2) girls seem to "develop" a lot earlier these days
3) we don't know what the girl told the boy about her age when they met

I am surprised there are no "public mischief" type charges. I think this kid needs some sort of punishment, but I don't think he deserves the "rapist" label either, depending on the facts being what they seem of course.

[The Yen Man]

Just one other point from me. I used to be surprised when I first learned how early some people lost their virginity. Considering the fact that more and more kids are losing their virginity around 12-14, I'm honestly not sure why so many people are surprised about this. The only real shocking thing about this whole situation is the doing it in public in front of a bunch of people. Otherwise, I wouldn't be surprised if a number of 12 year old girls are sexually experimenting in private. That's why they start teaching sex ed in grade 4.

[MotoRacer]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

You clearly didn't read the previous 5 pages. Which dealt with a girl and a teacher in a tent, not the actual story regarding the OP.

Time for you to gallop off into the sunset on your steed of moral superiority Peter.

yah, answer the damn question already

[Antithesis]

In my experience as a teacher, I have to say that (from my understanding - secondhand knowledge) it seems to be very common for girls to lie about their age on sites such as Facebook or Myspace, claiming to be (usually) around 2 years older than they actually were. It also seemed to be that the girls who would be most 'interested' in boys would be far more likely to do this than those who weren't.

If this was a case where a 16 year old was knowingly having sex with a 12 year old, I'd find that disgusting, and agree that the boy would need help and deserve whatever legal consequences were coming to him. Heck, someone posted earlier that it could be the case where a just-turned 16 year old was with an almost-13 year old, making the age difference a 'mere' two years, however, its just as likely it was an almost-17 year old with a just turned 12 year old, making it a six year age difference.

Just saying - to give the boy some benefit of the doubt here - that it is possible the girl told him that she was a fair bit older than she actually was, and that it could be perfectly reasonable for the boy to think so in the absence of other 'evidence'. There are many 12 year olds that I have taught (both male and female) who look significantly older than they actually are.

To conclude a rambling and perhaps incoherent post, I'd like to add that in my opinion, a 12 year old IS that young. Invariably.

[shermanator]

UPDATE: Teen pleads guilty to sexual assault. Victim consented, removed her own clothes, and age was only brought up after the act. IMO, both partners were just teenagers being idiots, only this time there were consequences to their actions...

The girl then reportedly wanted to have sex with the accused, prompting the rest of the group to feel uncomfortable and move away from the bleachers where the two participants were sitting.

"(The victim) was obviously heavily impaired by alcohol and was observed stumbling off the bleachers and lying down in the grass," according to the court document.

"(She) removed her own pyjama bottoms. (The accused) got on top and had protected vaginal intercourse with her."

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It was after the sex act that the accused was told the victim was only 12 years old. A condom used by the accused was recovered at the scene.

His friend was also seen "high-fiving" him and telling him to "do it," according to the facts.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Ca...007/story.html

[peter12]

According to the court document, two staff at the school witnessed the sexual assault and one of them videotaped the group after the aftermath but not the actual assault. The tape showed the girl in an extremely intoxicated state.

Why the heck didn't either of the two staff intervene? Not that they have to galloping in to save the day, but at least go over and tell the two kids to knock it off.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by peter12

Why the heck didn't either of the two staff intervene? Not that they have to galloping in to save the day, but at least go over and tell the two kids to knock it off.

Walking up to 10 teenagers who are obviously drunk and telling them not to do something is not a great idea.

[robocop]

Anyone with younger sisters or a daughter knows only one reaction to a story like this.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by robocop

Anyone with younger sisters or a daughter knows only one reaction to a story like this.

What's that?

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by robocop

Anyone with younger sisters or a daughter knows only one reaction to a story like this.

Are you insinuating that the girl didn't get drunk on her own accord and knowingly engage in sexual activity? Or that her brothers or father should be angry?

I'm all for being protective but there's really nothing her father or brothers (assuming she has any) could have done save teach her to be a little more responsible or follow her around and harass her hoping she doesn't do anything stupid.

I'm not saying what this 16 year old boy did was right but I'm not in a position to condemn him for being a rapist either.

Short of the father and brothers following this girl 24/7 and beating up any boys that talk to her I'm not sure who to blame here. Maybe her parents and brothers should have taught her to not get wasted and have sex? That's a pretty tough way to think too though. All kids make mistakes.

[robocop]

no, that is not what I was insinuating

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by robocop

Anyone with younger sisters or a daughter knows only one reaction to a story like this.

Make sure your idiot sister or daughter doesn't get smashed out of her mind and engage in public intercourse?