12-07-2010, 09:23 AM
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So it is clear - the industry is telling the government that consumers should have to pay for the same content multiple times to use on different devices:
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@mgeist Michael Geist
Braid: You're asking consumers to pay twice? Milman: Yes - that's the request. Should pay for use on every device. #c32com
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Going as far to say that even copying a CD to your computer and iPod should require individual payments for each device:
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mgeist Michael Geist
CPCC: Go after BitTorrent sites, but pay us for copies from legit sources. Copying songs from CD to iPod, should be paid #c32com
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So this has gotten pretty interesting. Although I don't know the process inside and out, I believe that all of the stakeholders are currently stating their cases before a parliamentary committee.
The CPCC is the Canadian Private Copying Collective is a group that collects the levy paid on blank CDs, which is obviously declining as most people don't copy to CDs anymore. They want a levy tacked onto all MP3 players (and have even suggested that any hard drive, even if not used for music, should also be levied). This money is then distributed to the artists.
The main problem with the levy is that if you actually bought the track in the first place, why should you have to pay a levy on your recording media? Blatant double dipping. It assumes that every owner of a portable device is pirate. The paying customer gets hit a couple of times for the same content.
Although I'm not fully into the whole twitter thing, the best way to follow this is with the #c32com hast tag as there are a number of people tweeting during the sessions. If you have an option on things like the proposed levy, digital locks that prevent you from using content that you already paid for, etc. and you're into twitter, you may want to get involved.
Last edited by Jimmy Stang; 12-07-2010 at 09:25 AM.
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01-17-2011, 02:18 PM
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#242
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http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5577/125/
"Last month, the Bill C-32 Legislative Committee invited Canadians to provide their views on the bill. The Committee has set the following parameters:
In order for briefs on Bill C-32 to be considered by the Committee in a timely fashion, the document should be submitted to the Committee’s mailbox at CC32@parl.gc.ca by the end of January, 2011. A brief which is longer than 5 pages should be accompanied by a 1 page executive summary and in any event should not exceed 10 pages in length."
Now is the time to send your report to the government! Get it done!
Inside the link is the address where it must be sent.
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01-17-2011, 02:31 PM
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#243
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Quote:
Originally Posted by To Be Quite Honest
http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5577/125/
"Last month, the Bill C-32 Legislative Committee invited Canadians to provide their views on the bill. The Committee has set the following parameters:
In order for briefs on Bill C-32 to be considered by the Committee in a timely fashion, the document should be submitted to the Committee’s mailbox at CC32@parl.gc.ca by the end of January, 2011. A brief which is longer than 5 pages should be accompanied by a 1 page executive summary and in any event should not exceed 10 pages in length."
Now is the time to send your report to the government! Get it done!
Inside the link is the address where it must be sent.
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Remember when writing something like this, you must follow the protocol, be honorable, and honest.
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03-24-2011, 02:01 PM
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#245
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The new goggles also do nothing.
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Lol, and this dies again.
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03-24-2011, 02:44 PM
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#246
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Ya, this is probably the best thing coming out of the fall of the gov't. Almost makes up with having to deal with another election.
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03-24-2011, 04:23 PM
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#247
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ducay
Ya, this is probably the best thing coming out of the fall of the gov't. Almost makes up with having to deal with another election.
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probably? I think it more then makes up for going to the polls again and personally while I was hoping for a conservative majority to end this minority crap for awhile, but with the reintroduction of this I think I've changed my mind on with the minorities.
This might be the only time in my life I say this, but thanks libs,dippers and Bloc. You're not getting my vote but thanks anyways.
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03-24-2011, 06:00 PM
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#248
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Had an idea!
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So, what are the chances that the Conservatives will reintroduce the bill if they get a majority?
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03-24-2011, 06:05 PM
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#249
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tromboner
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Originally Posted by Azure
So, what are the chances that the Conservatives will reintroduce the bill if they get a majority?
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100%. It's also 100% if they get another minority.
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03-24-2011, 06:11 PM
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#250
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Craig McTavish' Merkin
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I'd say it's a certainty, in which case we'll wish C-32 had passed. As Dan02 mentions, that bill was much more on the side of consumers because of the influence of the other parties. With the exception of the digital locks provision I think it was pretty fair. If the Conservatives get their majority I can see them introducing something that looks a lot more like the DMCA.
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03-25-2011, 03:50 AM
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Originally Posted by DownInFlames
I'd say it's a certainty, in which case we'll wish C-32 had passed. As Dan02 mentions, that bill was much more on the side of consumers because of the influence of the other parties. With the exception of the digital locks provision I think it was pretty fair. If the Conservatives get their majority I can see them introducing something that looks a lot more like the DMCA.
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That's my fear as well. It appeared as though a compromise was likely on the digital lock issue, and we would have had a fairly balanced bill. The biggest problem is, I think that the other parties aren't in a strong enough position to steal many votes from the Conservatives, and the chance of a majority this time around is even more likely. Or a larger minority. Hopefully I'm proven wrong once the elections draws nearer and this becomes an election issue.
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09-29-2011, 12:13 PM
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^ This time it'll pass, unfortunately. So ripping your legally purchased DVD to your iPod will make you a criminal. Not very enforceable, obviously, but the US movie studios shouldn't be able to lobby and influence Canadian law.
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09-29-2011, 12:46 PM
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First Line Centre
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I guess I'd better strip the DRM off all my e-books and digital music now before it becomes illegal (that and send a strongly worded letter to my MP, but I suspect Rob Anders will toe the party line and keep his mouth shut).
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06-18-2012, 03:30 PM
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#257
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So how can they claim that a backup copy as well as format shifting is kosher, but not allow for breaking of digital locks?
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06-18-2012, 04:11 PM
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#258
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kunkstyle
So how can they claim that a backup copy as well as format shifting is kosher, but not allow for breaking of digital locks?
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I know that your question is rhetorical, but it allows them to boast of non-existent benefits to consumers while fully appeasing the entertainment industry lobby.
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06-18-2012, 04:21 PM
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#259
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tromboner
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The really sad thing is that the digital locks provisions are so anti-innovation. MP3 players would have never gotten of the ground with something like that being enforced. And this bill is coming from our minister of industry? GTFO.
(Much like how our public safety minister is apparently against gun control.)
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06-18-2012, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Jimmy Stang
I know that your question is rhetorical,
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Nope. It was serious. I thought I was misreading something.
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