How/Why does Tod Button still have a job?

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by FAN

Yep. Sutter made a point of keeping his first rounders. If the team was better at drafting in the first round, the team would be in a different position right now. The value Feaster and Weisbrod places/placed on first round picks has scared me. I couldn't believe it when Feaster and Weisbrod were considering trading the first round pick the team used to draft Jankowski. I can understand trading a potential top 5 pick for ROR, but then there's the Iginla trade where Feaster felt the Boston's offer of conditional 1st round pick was better than the Pens offer of a guaranteed first round pick. Luckily, it seems Feaster has changed course, but the odds are that at least one of the Flames' first round pick will be traded before Feaster's is done here.

That draft could very well go down as being one of the first in the last 10 years. The first round already looks VERY weak. Trading that 1st is a lot different than trading 1sts in a year with a stronger crop.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

That draft could very well go down as being one of the first in the last 10 years. The first round already looks VERY weak. Trading that 1st is a lot different than trading 1sts in a year with a stronger crop.

It's pretty early but if you go up and down the top 30 picks of the 2012 draft I'm not sure if some of those guys would have been picked in the top 60 of the 2013 draft.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by FAN

Yep. Sutter made a point of keeping his first rounders. If the team was better at drafting in the first round, the team would be in a different position right now. The value Feaster and Weisbrod places/placed on first round picks has scared me. I couldn't believe it when Feaster and Weisbrod were considering trading the first round pick the team used to draft Jankowski. I can understand trading a potential top 5 pick for ROR, but then there's the Iginla trade where Feaster felt the Boston's offer of conditional 1st round pick was better than the Pens offer of a guaranteed first round pick. Luckily, it seems Feaster has changed course, but the odds are that at least one of the Flames' first round pick will be traded before Feaster's is done here.

Feaster and Weisbroad contemplated trading the Jankowski pick but it is safe to assume they were targeting young center Lyle Turris with that trade. Flames were rumored to be in on Turris all season and Phoenix likely wanted out 1st back considering we had little to no prospects to offer

Also Chirelli flat out told the media the 1st in the Iggy deal was guaranteed and not conditional. The flames going after RoR was one last ditch effort at going all in and luckily it didn't work out. This team is committed to the rebuild and are not moving their own first round picks for quite some time

[FAN]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

That draft could very well go down as being one of the first in the last 10 years. The first round already looks VERY weak. Trading that 1st is a lot different than trading 1sts in a year with a stronger crop.

How do you figure the 2012 first round looks very weak? That first round probably has more first round draftees seeing NHL action the year they are drafted than in most drafts. And Feaster was willing to give up a first this year for ROR so he is willing to trade a 1st in a year with a strong crop.

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Feaster and Weisbroad contemplated trading the Jankowski pick but it is safe to assume they were targeting young center Lyle Turris with that trade. Flames were rumored to be in on Turris all season and Phoenix likely wanted out 1st back considering we had little to no prospects to offer

I'm not saying Feaster will move a first round pick for a old rental, but he is very willing to move the first round pick for immediate help.

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Also Chirelli flat out told the media the 1st in the Iggy deal was guaranteed and not conditional. The flames going after RoR was one last ditch effort at going all in and luckily it didn't work out. This team is committed to the rebuild and are not moving their own first round picks for quite some time

Fair enough on the Boston trade front, but I don't think Feaster sees the ROR signing as a last ditch effort at all. Neither was his rumored attempt to acquire Turris. For better or worse, Feaster likely saw Turris and certainly ROR as franchise players and was willing to move a first round pick for them. The problem/issue is whether it was a Kessel like situation where it's more about the timing of the acquisition rather than the value received from the trade.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by FAN

I'm not saying Feaster will move a first round pick for a old rental, but he is very willing to move the first round pick for immediate help.



Fair enough on the Boston trade front, but I don't think Feaster sees the ROR signing as a last ditch effort at all. Neither was his rumored attempt to acquire Turris. For better or worse, Feaster likely saw Turris and certainly ROR as franchise players and was willing to move a first round pick for them. The problem/issue is whether it was a Kessel like situation where it's more about the timing of the acquisition rather than the value received from the trade.

I agree Feaster is not afraid to move a first in the past but with the rebuild underway I truly think he is going to go about things the right way.

I don't disagree that Feaster thought highly of both Turris and O'Rielly enough to consider moving the Flames first for both but I also argue the mandate from ownership was different. In 2011-2012 it was all about winning now and the future. Adding 21,22 year old centers with the upside of Turris and RoR is a good risk for Feaster at the time because he is trading away a pick for a player that can play now and long into the future. I think Feaster even said the reason the Flames did not move their first for Turris was 2 fold. Firstly they were trending towards a top 5 pick and secondly they discovered Jankowski and wanted to make sure he was going to be available.

Once the organization agreed to rebuild the Flames philosphy changed to keeping picks and developing their own prospects. The rumored Seguin trade the night before the draft adds to that change when it was rumored the Flames not the Bruins backed out of the deal that would have sent #6 and Gaudreau to Boston for Seguin (likely other pieces involved). Had this team still been built around Iginla, Bouw, and Kipper I bet the Flames make that trade.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by FAN

How do you figure the 2012 first round looks very weak? That first round probably has more first round draftees seeing NHL action the year they are drafted than in most drafts. And Feaster was willing to give up a first this year for ROR so he is willing to trade a 1st in a year with a strong crop.
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3 guy stuck through the entire season. That's not particularly high. The top end of the draft is weak - Yakupov, Murray, are poor top 2 picks relative to most years.

And the drop off after the top few guys is significant. Guys drafted in the teens either have limited upside (Forsberg, Ceci, etc) or holes in their game (Tervanien). Some first rounders had bad enough years that already their first round selections are being questioned.

Proof will be in the pudding - but I think we will all find out that it was a BAD draft.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It's pretty early but if you go up and down the top 30 picks of the 2012 draft I'm not sure if some of those guys would have been picked in the top 60 of the 2013 draft.

Guys in the teens would have gone in the 2nd round this year I think.
And even the top 5 would probably have gone 7-10 or later.

Where would you slot Yakupov in?

Certainly after Mackinnon, Jones, Drouin, Barkov - so at best #5. Murray probably goes somewhere around 10.