2009 grey cup

[flip]

Originally Posted by octothorp

I'd be very curious to see the wide view camera and see exactly how this last play broke down: how many men were in the huddle (presumably just 12, since otherwise the play would have been blown dead and '13 in the huddle' would have been called), who was substituted on and off, and how much time Armstead had to count. Of course such footage exists and there are tens of thousands of football fans who want to see it, but it wouldn't surprise me if TSN declined to show it to protect the identity of the player at fault.

The only thing I can think of after watching the replay on my PVR is that #87 Nicholson is standing right behind a Rider player on the line and Armstead couldn't see him when he counted. Or maybe Armstead didn't even count. He might have had other things on his mind.

There isn't enough footage from what I taped to see how the play progressed because they only ever start the clip when they are already about to snap the ball.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by octothorp

I'd be very curious to see the wide view camera and see exactly how this last play broke down: how many men were in the huddle (presumably just 12, since otherwise the play would have been blown dead and '13 in the huddle' would have been called), who was substituted on and off, and how much time Armstead had to count. Of course such footage exists and there are tens of thousands of football fans who want to see it, but it wouldn't surprise me if TSN declined to show it to protect the identity of the player at fault.

It would be pretty hard to figure out regardless of the angle. The only way to know for sure is to know what the play call was, who was assigned to each position on the call, and then look at the tape and see who was out there. Even then there's still the possibility of one guy getting told it's play x and another told play y.

It was mass chaos, and that does come down to coaching to a degree, but the guys on the field have to keep their composure too. There's blame on multiple people here, it wasn't a one person screw up.

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

I have no idea why they burnt that timeout needlessly on their punt. You only get 1 in the CFL!

I've seen that call before, but typically when a team is up by four or more; in that situation, having a timeout while trying to defend against a last minute drive is pretty useless. In a close game, it's useful just so you can ice the kicker if you need to, (or to have insurance against special teams screw-ups, like this one). I agree, it was a bad call.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by arloiginla

Riders fans are still trying to figure out who the 13th man was. They have figured out exactly who was on the field for the first FG attempt and figure whoever was not on for the 2nd attempt was at fault.

But the TSN camera showed the 2nd try from behind the kicker instead of the Sask. side of the line so it seems impossible to figure out.

That doesn't mean anything, could have been completely different calls and personnel groups out there for the two plays..

[arloiginla]

Originally Posted by valo403

That doesn't mean anything, could have been completely different calls and personnel groups out there for the two plays..

Why on earth would they call a different play than the block the second time? They sure as heck wouldn't call a return on a 33-yarder that would go through the endzone if it missed.

It had to have been the same play.

[kevman]

Originally Posted by valo403

That doesn't mean anything, could have been completely different calls and personnel groups out there for the two plays..

When you're about to go manure someones house I'm pretty sure you're already well beyond the realm of using logic to make sure you've got the right guy...


octothorp, As for the 13 man in the huddle, that only applies to the offense, the defense can freely substitute as they please up until the snap of the ball. This is why all the officials threw theirs flags the exact second the ball was snapped. The officials already knew they had 13 men out there but it's not a penalty until the play starts.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by arloiginla

Why on earth would they call a different play than the block the second time? They sure as heck wouldn't call a return on a 33-yarder that would go through the endzone if it missed.

It had to have been the same play.

I would really hope that a CFL team has more than one block play in their playbook. We had 3 in our CJFL playbook.

[JustAnotherGuy]

Montreal won the game. End of story. Time to give it a rest for awhile and then start up next year.

[BlackEleven]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy

Montreal won the game. End of story. Time to give it a rest for awhile and then start up next year.

Yes, I agree. This thread should stay at 13 pages.

[troutman]

6 million watched the Grey Cup.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy

Montreal won the game. End of story. Time to give it a rest for awhile and then start up next year.

Have you ever contributed anything useful to a single thread?

[arloiginla]

Sean Lucas was the 13th man.

So TSN is reporting anyway.

[GirlySports]

Every year I look forward to Chris Berman doing the Grey Cup highlights.

This year the 13th man screw up has to part of C'Mon Man!

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by troutman

6 million watched the Grey Cup.

Just awesome!

More than 14 million Canadians, or nearly 43% of the country's population, watched the game in whole or in part. An incredible 8.35 million viewers were watching the broadcast at 9:49 p.m. ET on TSN and RDS as Montreal kicker Damon Duval converted his second game-winning field-goal attempt as timed expired.

The Grey Cup on TSN becomes the most-watched telecast on Canadian television this year - ahead of both The 81st Annual Academy Awards and Super Bowl XLIII**.

[flip]

Originally Posted by arloiginla

Sean Lucas was the 13th man.

So TSN is reporting anyway.

In a very roundabout way.

They were clear the only evidence they had is that he was the only guy on the field for the miss that wasn't on for the winning try. It makes it more likely it was him but not for sure.

[moon]

Originally Posted by flip

In a very roundabout way.

They were clear the only evidence they had is that he was the only guy on the field for the miss that wasn't on for the winning try. It makes it more likely it was him but not for sure.

I didn't watch the 4th quarter but remember that Lucas was injured earlier in the game. Was he still in and out in the 4th and it is possible that his sub thought he was injured but Lucas actually went out for the play?

[JustAnotherGuy]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Have you ever contributed anything useful to a single thread?

Why don't you go through all of my posts and then you can tell me. Which doesn't really matter because your opinion is crap to me anyway.

Speaking of crap. Carry on and try to find out who the 13th player is and then the Sask 'fans' can go dump on his lawn. Classy classy fans that they are.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by flip

He should have realized there were too many men and told Armstead to get the hell off the field?

your just wrong. The coaches on the sidelines have the worst view out of the 45,000 people there, it's impossible to count. To fire a ST coach because he couldn't count the players from the sideline has no logic to it, just frustration.

What's he supposed to do, do the impossible and count to 13 from the sideline and do exactly what? He didn't have a time out, nobody is going to hear him because the place is loud ... what's he going to do? There was an idiot wearing green that wasn't thinking, it's not any more complicated than that.

You are right about one thing though, this was just one play, they fell apart for about 7 minutes straight. People in Sk should be disappointed that the team was gripping too much for half a quarter and focused on the end result and not the process. That was the real problem, not a ST coach.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by arloiginla

Why on earth would they call a different play than the block the second time? They sure as heck wouldn't call a return on a 33-yarder that would go through the endzone if it missed.

It had to have been the same play.

it's not Peewee football, its a bit more complicated than that.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by troutman

6 million watched the Grey Cup.

And they said that it was the most watched GC in history, however it's apples and oranges because the methodology behind how they count is different now, and gives a much more liberal count than before.