I wonder if we've even passed the one year mark in the shows time line. If they have Walt is only barely 51. At some point I season four Walt was at the hospital for a check up and mentioned how he had been battling Cancer for "the better part of a year". If so his 52nd birthday is far off and plenty to happen before we see Walt with that machine gun.
I wonder if we've even passed the one year mark in the shows time line. If they have Walt is only barely 51. At some point I season four Walt was at the hospital for a check up and mentioned how he had been battling Cancer for "the better part of a year". If so his 52nd birthday is far off and plenty to happen before we see Walt with that machine gun.
Vince (Gilligan) feels that now we have too much story. We could actually go beyond those 16 episodes. It's not far-fetched. I wouldn't mind visiting that possibility. And this is coming from a guy who doesn't know anything of how the show's going to end. If it doesn't end up in a total apocalypse, who knows? Maybe we could revisit Walter White a year down the road and see where his life has gone. If he's still alive, that is
It looks like we already have visited Walter White a year down the road and got a small glimpse into where his life has gone.
And I think it's more vague than killing Hank but betraying his family. No matter what decisions Walt makes he justifies them out of some perverse sense of protection for his family. I think he'll end up using them for his own personal gain most likely pitting one of them (his son) against Hank his pursuer.
The interesting thing about Walt is that he's incredibly egotistical and almost all of the important decisions he makes about his own vanity and pride. He could have just accepted his friends' money for the treatment and the show would have been all over. But he didn't because of his own pride. He didn't 'need' to cook meth at all, there were other options, but he got a taste of feeling important and never let it go.
When they start the charity drive to launder the money Walt laments that no one will know that he actually earned that money and then dismisses it as a bad idea.
There's many many other examples.
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And I think it's more vague than killing Hank but betraying his family. No matter what decisions Walt makes he justifies them out of some perverse sense of protection for his family. I think he'll end up using them for his own personal gain most likely pitting one of them (his son) against Hank his pursuer.
The interesting thing about Walt is that he's incredibly egotistical and almost all of the important decisions he makes about his own vanity and pride. He could have just accepted his friends' money for the treatment and the show would have been all over. But he didn't because of his own pride. He didn't 'need' to cook meth at all, there were other options, but he got a taste of feeling important and never let it go.
When they start the charity drive to launder the money Walt laments that no one will know that he actually earned that money and then dismisses it as a bad idea.
There's many many other examples.
Great post.
Obviously I agree. These decisions are made by someone who was very capable of greatness, chose a less challenging and rewarding road in life and now very obviously regrets not having achieved all that he was capable of now that his life has an expiration date.
It's fascinating stuff.
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And I think it's more vague than killing Hank but betraying his family. No matter what decisions Walt makes he justifies them out of some perverse sense of protection for his family. I think he'll end up using them for his own personal gain most likely pitting one of them (his son) against Hank his pursuer.
I agree with your assessment. They've really been driving home the point about Walt Jr. idolizing Hank. I think we'll probably see Walt Jr. become closer with Hank as the season goes on -- maybe just asking a lot of questions about his investigation or perhaps running some errands for him/helping out or maybe even deciding to emulate him and joining some kind of law enforcement himself. Whatever the case I think we'll see more and more fracturing between Walt and his family.
And I think it's more vague than killing Hank but betraying his family. No matter what decisions Walt makes he justifies them out of some perverse sense of protection for his family. I think he'll end up using them for his own personal gain most likely pitting one of them (his son) against Hank his pursuer.
The interesting thing about Walt is that he's incredibly egotistical and almost all of the important decisions he makes about his own vanity and pride. He could have just accepted his friends' money for the treatment and the show would have been all over. But he didn't because of his own pride. He didn't 'need' to cook meth at all, there were other options, but he got a taste of feeling important and never let it go.
When they start the charity drive to launder the money Walt laments that no one will know that he actually earned that money and then dismisses it as a bad idea.
There's many many other examples.
I disagree with this to an extent. While he denied his friend's money out of pride, part of the reason that he got into cooking meth was so that he could leave money for his family over and above what he would require for his treatment. Has he taken their money, that still would have left a pretty big void in terms of the kind of money that his family would need after he died (something that Walt pretty much seemed to figure was a foregone conclusion when he first got into cooking meth in the first place).
And I think it's more vague than killing Hank but betraying his family. No matter what decisions Walt makes he justifies them out of some perverse sense of protection for his family. I think he'll end up using them for his own personal gain most likely pitting one of them (his son) against Hank his pursuer.
The interesting thing about Walt is that he's incredibly egotistical and almost all of the important decisions he makes about his own vanity and pride. He could have just accepted his friends' money for the treatment and the show would have been all over. But he didn't because of his own pride. He didn't 'need' to cook meth at all, there were other options, but he got a taste of feeling important and never let it go.
When they start the charity drive to launder the money Walt laments that no one will know that he actually earned that money and then dismisses it as a bad idea.
There's many many other examples.
You are bang on. I've already mentioned these sorts of things to other people I discuss the show with and I think you are 100% correct.
And for the ways he's betrayed Jesse there's the time he let Jane die, there was the poisoning of Brock. But there were all these small things too. Like in the very first season when he steals Jesse's gun to protect himself.
He's saved him a few times of course too, but outside of the dealer running over thing, all those times had something to do with him as well. Even when he's refusing to work cause Jesse isn't there, he's not doing it cause he's worried about Jesse, or at least primarily. It almost seems like he's doing it cause he wants to call some of the shots after his confrontation with Gus. They way he brings the laundry ladies in to do his cleaning is proof of that. He had every idea that it would piss Gus off and would probably be bad news for the ladies, but he does it anyway. In fact he rocked the boat way more times than he needs to.
He can't help himself, he has to be in control, and even if his own life is in danger or those around him he'll make dumb decisions to appease his ego and pride.
He is addicted to being in control, being on top, and he's even liking the danger in the lifestyle. They showed that in season one with how it increased his sex drive.
What I think may happen is that Jesse finds out about Jane or Brock or just what Walt has done to try and run his life or keep him close and he himself is the one who decides to turn against him.
In fact, since the whole series is pretty much about the relationship between Walt and Jesse, how fitting and how dark would it be if Jesse is the one who pulls the trigger on Walt.
Regarding Hank, I think he finds out about Walt for the half season cliffhanger. Then has to make some serious decisions.
The producers and cast have repeatedly promised that the season will be explosive, and from the mouth of Bryan Cranston and Aaron Paul themselves, it's going to be a "bloodbath", unlikely to end well for anyone, except for the fans, of course, who will be "####ting uncontrollably." Creator Vince Gilligan himself said that we should "expect more German accents than Spanish" as the season starts, as it was revealed that they will be heading to Germany for the second episode.
Perhaps the flash forward in episode one suggesting a showdown between Walt and "The Germans" ? ?
I don't see Walt letting Jane die as a betrayal at all. Jane was no good for Jesse and I think Walt getting her out of the picture was the best for both of them. I think Walt actually has some patental instinct towards Jesse but the whole situation lends itself to an effed up way of displaying it.
Even the whole Brock thing can be looked at as necessary tough love. Gus showed them that people, even in his inner circle, were disposable if they messed up even a little... and Jesse is bound to mess up with his addiction problems and poor decision making abilities. Gus wanted him gone from the start and was clearly going to just use him for the time being. Poisoning Brock was a terrible thing, but not a betrayal in the bigger picture.
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I believe this was the first indication that there were any Germans involved in the operation:
Near the beginning of the commercial, there's a little subtitle that says "Los Pollos Hermanos, Inc. is a registered trademark of Madrigal Electromotive GmbH". GmbH is short for Gesellschaft mit beschränkter Haftung, which is the German equivalent of an LLC (limited liability company).
The title of next week's episode is "Madrigal".
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I don't see Walt letting Jane die as a betrayal at all. Jane was no good for Jesse and I think Walt getting her out of the picture was the best for both of them. I think Walt actually has some patental instinct towards Jesse but the whole situation lends itself to an effed up way of displaying it.
I don't think Walt has paternal instinct towards Jesse even though Jesse might view Walt as a bit of a father figure. Walt knows Jesse is loyal to him but more importantly, he views Jesse as someone who will never surpass him or even be his equal.
Walt's descent into evil was never about the money. Sure, he went into cooking meth for the money but he stayed in it because he liked feeling superior to others which was something lacking in his pre-cancer life. Each time he descends further into evil he gets more and more powerful and he gets off on being the man. That's why he wanted Gale replaced by Jesse the first time - Gale might have become his equal in the lab. That's why he doesn't get along with Mike - because Mike views him as weak and Walt knows it.
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Even the whole Brock thing can be looked at as necessary tough love. Gus showed them that people, even in his inner circle, were disposable if they messed up even a little... and Jesse is bound to mess up with his addiction problems and poor decision making abilities. Gus wanted him gone from the start and was clearly going to just use him for the time being. Poisoning Brock was a terrible thing, but not a betrayal in the bigger picture.
Nah, Brock was just a pawn so that he could get Jesse back on his side since he needed Jesse to save his life. He wasn't thinking Gus is eventually going to kill Jesse so I bet do this so that doesn't happen. He was thinking Gus is going to kill me so how do I kill Gus before he can do that.
Can anyone tell me why Walt was laughing manically in the last few episodes of season 4?
You mean when he had a mental breakdown when he realized he had a very small amount of money after all the horrible #### he'd done to provide for family.
