"Muslim cabbies Want to Discriminate Against Customers"

[Red Mile Style]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Oh for sure.

So, you're against it... just because?

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by Bleeding Red

From Webster's: http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/Discrimination

Main Entry: dis·crim·i·na·tion
Pronunciation: dis-"kri-m&-'nA-sh&n
Function: noun
1 a : the act of discriminating b : the process by which two stimuli differing in some aspect are responded to differently
2 : the quality or power of finely distinguishing
3 a : the act, practice, or an instance of discriminating categorically rather than individually b : prejudiced or prejudicial outlook, action, or treatment <racial discrimination>

Notice how the racial discrimination aspect comes third.
Read #1 - you can descriminate against peopel carrying alcohol. You can descriminate against people wearing oilers jerseys. I descriminate between small brewer's beer and the swill that is 'Blue'.







The two teired cab system affects cabbies, cab jockeys, dispatchers and passengers.

Allowing a two teired system affects us all.

I'm done with this you have no idea what you are talking about...

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Red Mile Style

I think comparing me to Ann Coulter is off topic and has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand. It was a personal attack, and if you truly believe that I debate like Ann Coulter, may I remind you that you have never met me nor know what I do for a living - which to a certain extent involves debating. I completed my diplomatic training two weeks ago, and while I am far from being a master debater (...) I feel as though my debating style resembles anything but that of Ann Coulter. Comparing me to Ann Coulter was aimed to disregard my posts as some crazy, idelogue banter that is extreme. It was neither constructive nor added anything to the debate whatsoever. I feel as though the only reason why I got tagged is because I am a female, and following how you feel on the topic at hand, I am not surprised in the least to discover that you categorize every female that is passionate about a subject as Ann Coulter.

I gave you my reasons why I thought you were conservative and/or anti-Muslim. The anti-Muslim part is opinion, the conservative (at least on this issue) is fact. You have a problem with being conservative on the topic of equal rights, take it up with the Political Science Department at the UofC.

You were the one who brought up your gender in the first place, Ann!! And judging by this (and your many assinine posts), you don't even stop to think about the issue, you base your response purely on some political ideology scale you learned at the U of C. Maybe you should start thinking about issues and making decisions for yourself rather than arguing how you think you should, based on political ideology.

This issue has nothing to do with equal rights, it is about special treatment.

And another point: People drinking and taking cabs is not a new phenomenon. So why is it, that at this point in time, it has become an issue? Have more and more muslims started to become cabbies recently? Are these guys that stupid that they have been driving cabs for years and suddenly they realized, "uh oh, some of these people drink". It just makes no sense at all. And you keep on insisting there is an anti-muslim slant here, which many posters have already disproved.

[Bleeding Red]

Originally Posted by Sowa

I'm done with this you have no idea what you are talking about...

Sure you got the right guy?

Here I though I showed RMS that his/her narrow deffinition of descrimination does not help her cause, that religious descrimination cuts boths ways, and that the issue is special treatment for Muslim Cabbies.

Am I that far out in the cow pasture?

[Red Mile Style]

Well, let's take a look at Agamemnon's personal crusade against me...

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Quote:
Originally Posted by Red Mile Style
So rather than having a system that rearranges passengers at the airport so that Muslim drivers can have a fair chance and allow them to follow their beliefs, it's better if all Muslims just aren't cab drivers...

I don't think this is what North America is supposed to be about - it reminds me of some kind of dictatorship...


Separate ques at the airport based on your religious beliefs? Sounds like a real free and fair society you've got there...

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Apparently RMS believes that there should just be two kinds of stores, one that caters to homosexuals, and one that doesn't... real nice and 'free'. Sounds like religious apartheid to me.

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Wow RMS... you've avoided a lot of solid arguments in this thread. Not surprising, your position is pretty weak on this topic. Why not respond to Rouge's post?

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Meh, I can post with impunity, she's got me on her ignore list because I'm such a massive troll around here

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

It was posted in this thread that the Muslim community actually has no technical rules against transporting people who are carrying liquor, the rule is that Muslims themselves are not allowed to have liquor.


Yeah... I'm the extremist here...

Why not? If a Muslim cab driver shouldn't have to drive someone who doesn't conform to their religion, why should a Muslim be forced to sit by someone on a bus who doesn't conform to their religion (is intoxicated)? I assume we should set up an area of the bus that is 'safe' for them to practise their relgion, no? And if not, why not?


No, we're talking about new, special priveleges for certain groups based on their specific religion.


For someone who whines about personal attacks in posts I defy you to find one personal attack from me towards you in this thread. Hypocrite.

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Why put me on ignore and then respond to everything I say? Make up your mind you crazy nut.

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

No doubt... you know when the Left AND the Right are joining up that something's screwy with her argument.

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

You forgot terribly condescending and egotistical.


!! We should make a separate forum for your religion so you won't be offended by them! THAT seems like the easiest and fairest way to go...

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Apparently to be on the Left politically and socially you also have to be on the Left environmentally. And an extremist to boot. Its people like you that give Conservatives/Right wing license to make us all (Left) look like kooks.

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

You're not on ignore lists, you're just making good points. Its easier to ignore (the many) good points in this thread and focus on a very few arguments when your case is as indefensible as RMS's is here.

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

For a quick smattering of RMS comments in this thread;

You know what Agamemnon? You suck. I hate you, please leave me alone.
Take your meds, you crazy person

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Red Mile Style

Removed

Hahahaha... your illogic is incredible. When your irrational arguments don't work, you resort to posting very personal attacks (including names) on a public message board.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by peter12

Can the mods take a look at this?

Yes please.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Red Mile Style

So, you're against it... just because?

Are you kidding me?

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by peter12

Hahahaha... your illogic is incredible. When your irrational arguments don't work, you resort to posting very personal attacks (including names) on a public message board.

Can the mods take a look at this?

And she claims she is nothing like Ann Coulter

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Red Mile Style

I think comparing me to Ann Coulter is off topic and has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand. It was a personal attack, and if you truly believe that I debate like Ann Coulter, may I remind you that you have never met me nor know what I do for a living - which to a certain extent involves debating.

I'm judging you based on your posts. I don't need (or want) to meet you to do. You have also judged me based on my posts and have never met me. So that's irrelevent. (Ann Coulter also brings in irrelvent tangents to make her points)
Ann Coulters job also involves debating. And she does so in a similar fashion to you. This is a FACT

Comparing me to Ann Coulter was aimed to disregard my posts as some crazy, idelogue banter that is extreme. It was neither constructive nor added anything to the debate whatsoever.

I feel that your posts are crazy ideological banter that are extreme. I simply stated that they remind me of another well known debator who uses crazy ideological banter.

I feel as though the only reason why I got tagged is because I am a female, and following how you feel on the topic at hand, I am not surprised in the least to discover that you categorize every female that is passionate about a subject as Ann Coulter.

LOL
Again, making things up and exagerting the comments of others.(Straight from the Ann Coulter play book)

I gave you my reasons why I thought you were conservative and/or anti-Muslim. The anti-Muslim part is opinion, the conservative (at least on this issue) is fact. You have a problem with being conservative on the topic of equal rights, take it up with the Political Science Department at the UofC.

You are factually identifying my ideology? (How Ann Coulter like of you to tell me what I think)

You must have failed Poli Sci. I will take up with them that they gave credits out to you so easily.

You have demonstrated in this post and thrughout the thread how you and Ann Coulter share debating styles. This is a FACT

Therefore by your own logic, not an insult. I have still not insulted you even though you have me.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by Bleeding Red

Sure you got the right guy?

Here I though I showed RMS that his/her narrow deffinition of descrimination does not help her cause, that religious descrimination cuts boths ways, and that the issue is special treatment for Muslim Cabbies.

Am I that far out in the cow pasture?

oops sorry quoted wrong post...

[Bleeding Red]

Originally Posted by Sowa

oops sorry quoted wrong post...

is cool - happens.

Cheers

[peter12]

I gave you my reasons why I thought you were conservative and/or anti-Muslim. The anti-Muslim part is opinion, the conservative (at least on this issue) is fact. You have a problem with being conservative on the topic of equal rights, take it up with the Political Science Department at the UofC.

This is my absolute favourite quote right here. First of all, I'll repeat what many posters have said... did you pass political science at the UofC? Or did you just sit in on classes and pretend to be a student?

Second of all your perspective on conservatives and equality rights shows a grotesque bias. I'm a conservative, firmly along the lines of say ... Preston Manning or Stephen Harper. I'm all for small-l liberal equality rights for everybody, but I and most conservatives believe in neutral equality. That is, all laws apply the same to all. I don't believe in your far-left, hyper-Charter, judicial democrat notion of niche equality. It's crazy and frankly doesn't make much sense in a modern democracy.

You want to debate me on my notion of equality. Fine. But stop trying to paint the majority of conservatives as trogolodytes. Very Ann Coulterish. You attempt to discredit opposing opinions by trying to inflame prejudice.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Red Mile Style

Touche, I just have said the same thing, over and over and over and over and over and over...

I believe atheism is a religion... I believe there are Atheist churches. What does this have to do with anything? You think that since I do not follow any kind of organized religion, that I am an Atheist? I don't think so...The point is, I have the right to belong to whatever church and practice whatever crazy rituals (as long as it doesn't disregard others' rights) I want.

Again, it would be wrong to discriminate against the preist if it was because of his faith - following your religious beliefs and not allowing him into the cab because he is carrying wine is a different story.

Now I have a question for you that is about as relevant: What if a monkey in a purple suit wearing a top hat wanted to buy a watermelon from a Hindu, what color would the sky be?

I am done with you on this tread. I will respond to other peoples remarks but not yours. I am not putting you on my ignore list...but...it is obvious that we will continue to go in cirlces.

Again....all I have to say is I am glad the majority of people on this site have common sense. The majority.

[BlackEleven]

Originally Posted by Red Mile Style

You know what Agamemnon? You suck. I hate you, please leave me alone.
Take your meds, you crazy person

What's your problem with the guy? In all those quote you listed the worst he called you was a 'crazy nut'. In this thread alone I've seen you lob out insults such as 'ass-clown', 'redneck' and to top it off 'sick ****'.

The fact is, he's provided arguments many compelling arugments in this thread that you've, for the most, part completely ignored. You've been the one lobbying insults around at everyone (see your last post to me a few pages back), and that's why I quit posting in this thread, I didn't feel the need to waste my time fighting with someone that insisted doing it with the mentality of a 4th grader. I commend Agamemnon for still making valid and sound points depsite all the crap being spewed towards him by you; it was certainly more than I could put up with.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Yeah well what do you all know you're obviously conservative muslim hating fools...

[Nicole]

Wow, what an interesting and heated debate going on in this thread.

Personally I think that if there are specific issues within a certain profession that goes against your strong held beliefs, then maybe you should consider a different line of work. If you still want to do that job then you have to suck it up and take whatever comes with it, unless your personal safety is an issue.

There are many professions in which people do EVERYDAY, where I am sure there are things that go against their personal beliefs. Defense Attorneys come to mind here; Nurses and Doctors, who many times have to attend to people who have made themselves ill through drugs, alcohol, smoking, suicide attempts etc.. I'm sure many of these Doctors and Nurses personal beliefs go against smoking/drinking, drug use and suicide - just a wild guess; Teachers .. I could go on and on but the point I'm trying to make is that although there may be things that go against their beliefs, they still do their job. It doesn't mean they are going against what they believe to do so. To do that, it would involve actually physically doing the thing they are against ... nobody is asking the muslim cab drivers to take a swig of whiskey, they're just asking for a PUBLIC service to get to where they need to go. I think it should be pretty obvious to a person who chooses to drive a cab that you are going to be dealing with inebriated people from time to time or people who are perhaps carrying items on them, such as alcohol, cigarettes etc... and if you don't want to deal with that b/c it goes against your personal beliefs then don't drive a cab. If I don't believe in drinking liquor, do you think I'm gonna work in a liquor store?

Anyway, I think this has been debated to death and there are already a lot of good points that have been brought up, this was just my $0.02.

[BlackEleven]

Uh-oh, get ready to be called a conservative, Muslim-hating bigot....

The issue is clear. You have a right to freely practise your religion, but you do not have the right to expect special treatment based on your beliefs. By allowing Muslim cabbies to refuse fares without paying the same penalty the other drivers do (going to the back of the line) you are giving them special treatment. Asking Muslim cabbies to abide by the same rules as the other drivers not discrimating against them.

The Muslim cabbies are free to request such special treatment of course, but the cab company is equally free to deny their request without having to face allegations of discrimiation. From the cab company's perspective, why would they want to set any sort of precedent that could lead to demands for special treatment from other groups in the future?

[jolinar of malkshor]

I guess RMS doesn't want to debate another female. (assuming nicole is a female)