ECR2: Florida Panthers (A3) vs Toronto Maple Leafs (A1) - PANTHERS WIN 4-3

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

I clearly don't understand concussions, and have never had one, but that just didn't seem like a violent blow to the head.Was it kind of a whiplash? Wrist right to the jaw?

I feel like if you showed that play to 100 people not a single one would guess he was on the bench throwing up with a concussion after. Just so weird.

I really hope he is okay, and can somehow make it back into the series.

I am thinking that the root cause is the shot from Reinhart 5 minutes in

I can say that as a goalie you take a lot of pucks off the mask, and most of them are glancing, they deflect and the amount of force transferred to your head is a fraction of what it would be if it hit you square. It’s basic physics, resolving the vectors of puck trajectory before and after impact

But the ones that hit you square, and pretty much lose all of their velocity? Those are pretty rare, especially considering the profile of masks and with cat eye wire. But when those ones happen, you notice the difference

That shot by Reinhart died pretty quickly, and didn’t go too far, which indicates the mask/ head took the brunt of it

(And I can also say that knocking the mask off is not a definitive indicator of anything. If the mask moves, maybe in a certain situation it happens that the head takes less impact. It’d be case by case and tough to know if you’re not the one inside the mask)


I don’t know when Stolarz was puking over the boards but unless he came to the rink sick or pregnant he shouldn’t have been playing at that point

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

If this happened to Wolf, CP would be the only ones losing their minds. Lol.

Slight adjustment for accuracy.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The idea that concussions only happen as a result of massive hits is one of the misconceptions that needs to be corrected.

Indeed - and the inverse, whereby when people hear that a guy left on a stretcher after puking because of contact to the head, they assume some vicious, heinous act must have taken place, is similarly a misconception that needs to be corrected.

The tone around Bennett due to what was a fairly innocuous contact, as if he'd smashed him in the head with a baseball bat, is unbelievably over the top.

[FanIn80]

I’d like to know how the concussion spotter happened to miss both a puck to the head AND the single most vicious and blatantly obvious flying elbow to the temple that the sporting world has ever seen.

Perhaps El Spotterino is a Leafs fan who didn’t want Stolarz to have to come out? Or are they legit and actually saw nothing egregious? Orrrr were they in the bathroom for each separate incident?

If the media wants to focus on this, maybe they should be asking some other questions besides “should Sam Bennett be suspended for life for attempting to play hockey while in the vicinity of a Toronto Maple Sportsnet goaltender.”

[Erick Estrada]

The main thing is that hopefully Stolarz recovers quickly and doesn't have any lingering effects as you hate to hear that he was carried out on a stretcher. Whether it was the shot or Bennett's elbow is secondary. I know fans and coaches will complain but maybe it should be standard that the spotters call a goaltender for evaluation after any shot to the head as a precaution. I think a players health is worth more than being off the ice for 10-15 minutes during a game.

[FanIn80]

To be clear, I like Stolarz and wished he could have stayed in FLA. (I realize though that it’s better for him to be an actual starter, and that he’s earned it and it wasn’t going to happen soon in FLA).

I really do hope he’s alright. My ire is directed solely at Sportsnet’s overt fellatiousness (yes I mean that the way it’s spelled) over all things blue.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I know fans and coaches will complain but maybe it should be standard that the spotters call a goaltender for evaluation after any shot to the head as a precaution. I think a players health is worth more than being off the ice for 10-15 minutes during a game.

But then you're basically incentivizing the opposition to take shots at the other goalie's mask so that they have to put the backup in.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

But then you're basically incentivizing the opposition to take shots at the other goalie's mask so that they have to put the backup in.

I really don’t think players will be passing up scoring chances to aim for the goaltender’s head.

[midniteowl]

If Stolarz isn't playing for TO, this would be a non issue.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The main thing is that hopefully Stolarz recovers quickly and doesn't have any lingering effects as you hate to hear that he was carried out on a stretcher. Whether it was the shot or Bennett's elbow is secondary. I know fans and coaches will complain but maybe it should be standard that the spotters call a goaltender for evaluation after any shot to the head as a precaution. I think a players health is worth more than being off the ice for 10-15 minutes during a game.

No, this is too much. A major point of the post I just made outlined that the majority of shots that hit the mask are glancing and inconsequential in terms of risk

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

No, this is too much. A major point of the post I just made outlined that the majority of shots that hit the mask are glancing and inconsequential in terms of risk

It’s not too much. It’s a pretty infrequent play as you can go games without a goaltender taking a puck to the face.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I really don’t think players will be passing up scoring chances to aim for the goaltender’s head.

If a goalie is playing the way that Kiprusoff was in 2004 or Halak was whatever year that was when he put the Habs on his shoulders, you can bet they'll start aiming for the head to get a change of goalie. Guaranteed.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It’s not too much. It’s a pretty infrequent play as you can go games without a goaltender taking a puck to the face.

Do you watch hockey? Some games, sure, a goaltender may not take a puck off the mask. But goalies take pucks off the mask often, sometimes multiple times in a game. Pulling a goalie based on puck hitting mask would be interruptive and unproductive


Look, if you want to make a rule like this, it would have to be well thought out, not kneejerk

You could base it on the science. They can measure the shot speed, they know the weight of the puck, and can measure the direction and speed of the puck after contact with the mask. That could give the concussion spotter a data point to reduce subjectivity

There is a way to accommodate your intention with some consideration of scientific merit

But hell no, you can’t pull the goalie every time a puck hits a mask. That’s too simple, not thought out, and too far

[FanIn80]

First shot on goal: hit the starter in the head
Second shot on goal: hit the backup in the head
Third shot on goal: hit the EBUG in the head
Fourth shot on goal: score on an empty net

Might as well just not use goalies at all at that point.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Cry some more, smurf lovers.

Hope Bennett pulverizes whichever baby soft leaf tries to act tough.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

If this happened to Wolf, CP would be losing their minds. Lol.

But it isn't and it's the leafs so it changes things.

[fotze2]

I had lunch with Todd Fedoruk a few years ago. He carried me around on his back at his bros wedding in Redwater many years ago because I couldn’t walk.

He said he was on the bench with Parros and the coach snapped on them because they just sat there. He was yelling at them to get out there but the were both deaf in the right ear from the conkys.

He said he could take an anvil to the forehead no problem but it was the shots to the jaw or punches to side of the head/ear that ruin you. It was a lot of very funny stories even as horrible as it is.

[Enoch Root]

If players could hit the goalie in the mask at will, why not just aim for an open corner and hit that at will?

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

If Stolarz isn't playing for TO, this would be a non issue.

Also if it wasn't Sam Bennett, a player who has consistently crossed the line with sneaky dirty plays with forearm shivers, head shots, and other dangerous hits. The Panthers this playoffs have been the dirtiest team I can recall in a long time with multiple hits that have been suspensions or could have easily been suspensions.

[DeluxeMoustache]

And that is why we can’t root for the Leafs. It’s round 2 game 2 and their fans are already insufferable.

Just imagine if they were successful