[Trade] Flames trade Zadorov to Canucks for 24 5th and 26 3rd

[liquorbarn]

I feel ‘this is a trash trade’ people are/were? wearing rose coloured glasses.
One good play a game doesn’t make up for his faults.

Happy to have him gone. He is going to make the Canuck’s worse too imo.

[Goriders]

Doubt you were getting much more than a 3rd rounder for Big Z. They got a 5th and a 3rd. So probably about right.

If they are signing any of their UFAs they need cap space. That’s really what this trade provided. We didn’t have to take on a salary.

Too bad. I really liked Big Z. But defence seems to be where we had a surplus. If they dump Tanev and Hanifin though that will not be the case. They’ll have to resign one of them or we will be the Oilers very quickly.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

1. Zadorov is fine but he’s definitely not 1st or 2nd round material. If we were looking at him, would you give up a 1st or a 2nd?

2. The new reality is cap space has real value. It needs to be factored into any trade appraisal.

3. Spreading out picks is wise. You can’t just accumulate everything into 1 draft year. It’s unwise. You need to diversify and game out which drafts will be the best, and this likely represents part of the motivation for the years in play.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Is it the exact pick they got for Beauvillier?

Yeah. There are conditions on the pick that the Canucks would in fact receive the best 5th rounder the Hawks have if the Hawks had a higher one, but they don't actually have any other 2024 5th rounders at the moment. So I assume it means that in the event the Hawks acquire another pick that's higher, the Canucks would get that one instead. Realistically, it is going to stay as Chicago's pick though. I assume those conditions travel with the pick.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

The point is, sometimes there are sticks... and sometimes there are snowballs. There are even times where sand is involved. And birds. But all that really matters is what you do with all that water. That's how you build a hockey team.

That’s deep. I have no idea what it means but it’s deep.

[MrMike]

That kinda cap space at the deadline alone is worth at least a third. To me it signals that they are making room for when on of Hanifin/Lindholm are traded, to retain and take an ugly contract back for extra value.

When the cap space gets used, that is when I think we can finally decide how this trade went.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

https://twitter.com/user/status/1730374204724318544

if the Flames were unable to make a better trade because of an unwillingness to retain salary on 2023, I am unbelievably disappointed.

Really it depends on what else happens...because you only have 3 retention spots.

So if you think the market for Hanifin, Lindholm, and Tanev with retention is better than the market than Zadorov with retention, then you shouldn't retain on Zadorov.

So then if you have a spot for Zadorov where you don't have to retain, and you think the the return is still acceptable, you are actually smart to make that move.

However that would be giving this organization the benefit of the doubt, when they have refused to retain a big portion of salary on any trade in their past.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

https://twitter.com/user/status/1730374204724318544

if the Flames were unable to make a better trade because of an unwillingness to retain salary on 2023, I am unbelievably disappointed.

It depends on if they want the retention slots for Tanev, Lindholm, and Hanifin or if they refuse to retain at all. In theory those three are more valuable and should get a bigger boost in value than Zadarov. Zadorov’s max overpay value was a 2nd and b prospect imo.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Yeah. There are conditions on the pick that the Canucks would in fact receive the best 5th rounder the Hawks have if the Hawks had a higher one, but they don't actually have any other 2024 5th rounders at the moment. So I assume it means that in the event the Hawks acquire another pick that's higher, the Canucks would get that one instead. Realistically, it is going to stay as Chicago's pick though. I assume those conditions travel with the pick.

Weird. I just went over there to look at it and I can't understand how they traded it to Vancouver when it seems like they already traded it to Toronto.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by liquorbarn

I feel ‘this is a trash trade’ people are/were? wearing rose coloured glasses.
One good play a game doesn’t make up for his faults.

Happy to have him gone. He is going to make the Canuck’s worse too imo.

Guess we’ll find out soon who he didn’t like on the team. He’ll be running people the next time we play the canucks.

[nixon45]

It's not at all surprising that a GM trained by a terrible GM is himself terrible.

[TheKiprusoffResurrection]

Hmmm, I don't love it.

When I saw the notification on my phone it said "Zadorov traded for two picks". Before looking at the specifics I tried to guess the picks. Was hoping/thinking it would be a 2nd and 3rd. Then I thought that might be a bit much, downgraded my expectations to 2nd and 4th/5th.

3rd and 5th isn't too far off that guess, but the 3rd being 3 drafts away really underwhelms me.

Positive is, despite winning a few games, Conroy appears to see the big picture. So that's a plus.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

Not looking forward to the Flames playing against him

I am. Sure, he throws the odd big hit but he is a turnover machine in his own end. I am looking forward to not cringing everytime that third pairing was on the ice.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

if the Flames were unable to make a better trade because of an unwillingness to retain salary on 2023, I am unbelievably disappointed.

You can't retain on everyone. They may want to retain on others instead, and get a bigger return. Makes sense, if that's the thinking.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Weird. I just went over there to look at it and I can't understand how they traded it to Vancouver when it seems like they already traded it to Toronto.

IOU - one 5th rounder. I swear I'm good for it.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

it seems like for every FA that Calgary has, everyone thinks we should be getting a 1st round pick + other considerations. i dont think that was ever going to happen. i dont think it is a bad trade, the negative is that the 3rd is in 2026. thats not great.

Meh... it's an asset. I'd almost rather have that asset in 2026 anyways. I think it's a more flexible asset and works better with the timeline for the Flames next competitive window. If we were discussing a 1st now vs. A 1st later I'd want the first now (because a first is more likely to affect affect the timeline on that window) but a 3rd now vs. A 3rd later? Different story.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Any one call making room for Zadorov on the Beauvillier trade?

If so, good job. Turns out Vancouver wanted him a little more than they were letting on.

In some ways Corey Perry allowed this trade to happen.

Feels like Canucks were likely offering the 3rd + Beauvillier, but Flames didn't want to take cap back.

Corey Perry gets drunk and does something stupid, which allows Chicago to terminate his contract, which opens up a roster spot and $4M in cap space for them to take on Beauvillier.

The Canucks then no longer need to shed cap as part of a Zadorov deal, and can move the 3rd and 5th for Zadorov.

Corey Perry getting drunk set the wheels for the trade in motion.

[gvitaly]

I valued Z at a 2nd, because we paid a 3rd for an inferior D when we got him. A 3rd and a 5th is not terrible, but nothing to write home about.

I wish Conroy could get better returns in trades, but I hope he makes up for it by absolutely great drafting and development.

On the plus side we now have 5M of cap space + LTIR.

[Naitix]

It’s a fine trade, people are really undervaluing cap space, the 3.75 million in cap space is easily another 3rd round pick at the deadline for cap dump

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Oh? Who said Zadorov was worth a 1st+? Please show your work.

Get out of here with this garbage lol.

not sure why everyone has to be so combative, if you dont agree, so be it. It started with Toffoli, several people were expecting a 1st. basically what i am saying is that a lot of fans overrate the teams free agents. Just my opinion