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[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

Hey Allan
I MEAN
Frank
Can anyone explain why he’s an 84 million dollar player?

2021/2022: 80GP, 30G, 85A, 115 PTS
2020/2021: 55GP, 20G, 41A, 61 PTS
2019/2020: 69GP, 23G, 55A, 78 PTS
2018/2019: 82GP, 30G, 62A, 92 PTS

Four straight years of exceeding a PPG. That's why.

Perhaps when you see such stellar performance elsewhere, and it not clicking this year, you can look at reasons why?

Is Huberdeau lazy? No. He's working hard this season - and he has a history of being a hard worker (you don't produce like he has being lazy).

It's not crazy to see why Huberdeau is paid the way he is. His offensive production is worth it. The real question is why has it gone so poorly this year for this player, other players, and the team at large?

The team last year was carried by top talent having crazy good chemistry. The team was driven by the best line in hockey: Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk. Two of those three players bailed on the team. You lose that chemistry, and here we are.

It's also not like this team has a long established history of success that Huberdeau and Kadri have come in and are "screwing up". The Flames have been bad for years and years and years with two strong regular seasons peppered in - and the group of young players that drove those two years are friggin' gone.

It's far more likely to me that the Flames organization is the problem - not the mercenaries they fly in every off-season to try and fix structural problems with the roster.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Really after 1980 as they wouldn't have been old enough to really enjoy the experience.

1981 for me. I don't remember 86 but I remember 89 vividly.

[Ashes]

Well that was unfortunate.

I can't remember the last time I've turned off a game when it was 3-2 heading into the third period. This team doesn't have a third period comeback ALL YEAR - if you can't come back from one goal down in the third period I'm sorry but that's just a bad team. Really wish we sold some assets at those crazy prizes we saw at the deadline and had the draft to look forward to, stock up on some potential elite talent in the first round.

Punting these decisions to next TDL was considered a great idea by Pat and the 960 guys because they want to give this team another chance to see what they have... (Exactly the kind of logic the Flames have used to stay mediocre for so long) But the 2023 draft is where you want to have those extra 1st/2nd's rounders.. it also moves up the timeline for this team to be competitive by a whole extra year by getting those players drafted this summer instead of next.

I'm sure they'll learn their lesson this time next year and start to tear it down well past the sell-by date and then sell us the idea like it's some stroke of genius. Man I'm just apathetic at this point sorry lol can't wait for this season to end. I want to see changes so bad. As others have said, nothing worth getting excited about with this current team, god bless Tyler Toffoli he's had a great season but he's our top point getter this year? Oof. Burn it.

[Always Earned Never Given]

Originally Posted by Ashes

Well that was unfortunate.

I can't remember the last time I've turned off a game when it was 3-2 heading into the third period. This team doesn't have a third period comeback ALL YEAR - if you can't come back from one goal down in the third period I'm sorry but that's just a bad team. Really wish we sold some assets at those crazy prizes we saw at the deadline and had the draft to look forward to, stock up on some potential elite talent in the first round.

Punting these decisions to next TDL was considered a great idea by Pat and the 960 guys because they want to give this team another chance to see what they have... (Exactly the kind of logic the Flames have used to stay mediocre for so long) But the 2023 draft is where you want to have those extra 1st/2nd's rounders.. it also moves up the timeline for this team to be competitive by a whole extra year by getting those players drafted this summer instead of next.

I'm sure they'll learn their lesson this time next year and start to tear it down well past the sell-by date and then sell us the idea like it's some stroke of genius. Man I'm just apathetic at this point sorry lol can't wait for this season to end. I want to see changes so bad. As others have said, nothing worth getting excited about with this current team, god bless Tyler Toffoli he's had a great season but he's our top point getter this year? Oof. Burn it.

So I guess you did not turn it off yesterday as it was 2-1 after 2.

[Ashes]

Ah yes this changes everything

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Always Earned Never Given

So I guess you did not turn it off yesterday as it was 2-1 after 2.

His post was 100% accurate on literally everything else, and this is a weird nitpick here.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

2021/2022: 80GP, 30G, 85A, 115 PTS
2020/2021: 55GP, 20G, 41A, 61 PTS
2019/2020: 69GP, 23G, 55A, 78 PTS
2018/2019: 82GP, 30G, 62A, 92 PTS

Four straight years of exceeding a PPG. That's why.

Perhaps when you see such stellar performance elsewhere, and it not clicking this year, you can look at reasons why?

Is Huberdeau lazy? No. He's working hard this season - and he has a history of being a hard worker (you don't produce like he has being lazy).

It's not crazy to see why Huberdeau is paid the way he is. His offensive production is worth it. The real question is why has it gone so poorly this year for this player, other players, and the team at large?

The team last year was carried by top talent having crazy good chemistry. The team was driven by the best line in hockey: Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk. Two of those three players bailed on the team. You lose that chemistry, and here we are.

It's also not like this team has a long established history of success that Huberdeau and Kadri have come in and are "screwing up". The Flames have been bad for years and years and years with two strong regular seasons peppered in - and the group of young players that drove those two years are friggin' gone.

It's far more likely to me that the Flames organization is the problem - not the mercenaries they fly in every off-season to try and fix structural problems with the roster.

Yes
You’re right
Huberdeau has a great history of playing playoff style hockey

[Jing]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

Yes
You’re right
Huberdeau has a great history of playing playoff style hockey

Gaudreau was never really dominant in the playoffs and he would have got the same money from the Flames (and got marginally less from another team on an annual basis).

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

Yes
You’re right
Huberdeau has a great history of playing playoff style hockey

Moving the goal posts are we...

Flames shouldn't really care about playing playoff style hockey considering the miss them more often than they make them, no?

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Jing

Gaudreau was never really dominant in the playoffs and he would have got the same money from the Flames (and got marginally less from another team on an annual basis).

He had his biggest success last year

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

Yes
You’re right
Huberdeau has a great history of playing playoff style hockey

So the likes of Barkov, Tkachuk, Lindholm, Gaudreau, Stamkos, etc.. (the list goes on) are not cut out for playoff hockey either? They all have a worse pts/g average than Huberdeau does in the playoffs.

The guy has outscored the opposition 20-12 at five on five during his career in the playoffs yet people act like he is some sort of liability out there costing his team games. Barkov for example sits at 17-17 over the same sample size, yet not a peep about the captain, wonder why?

[Falclore]

I think we need to go down a rebuild option too. One way of doing that is to bring in a coach / system the is more run and gun, get Hubby and Kadri some better production so you can actually trade them for some decent assets. Challenge is if they do better, can they stick to their guns and actually trade them away vs trying to scratch into the playoffs.

There will always be a GM or team that think they will get them to work in their system if we can get them back to some level of their forward point totals.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by Ashes

Well that was unfortunate.

I can't remember the last time I've turned off a game when it was 3-2 heading into the third period. This team doesn't have a third period comeback ALL YEAR - if you can't come back from one goal down in the third period I'm sorry but that's just a bad team.

Amazing that is even possible. I'm too lazy to look it up, but surely that is an NHL record; not a single 3rd period comeback. I'm certain the most suckiest Oiler/Sabres/BJs/whomever have had at least a single 3rd period comeback in even their worst seasons.

One of those "records" that seems impossible to achieve, even if you tried. Typical Flames to have that on their stat sheet .

Glad I missed this one. Haven't watch a game in a while TBH and probably won't until next season, the team is too exhausting. Better things to do in the evening. Better to just pop in the PGT to read how it went and if any drama unfolds.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Moving the goal posts are we...

Flames shouldn't really care about playing playoff style hockey considering the miss them more often than they make them, no?

No
Square in the middle of the original uprights
Sutter has been trying to get this team to play a brand of hockey that he believes is successful in the playoffs
If we agree with him or not regarding what brand is best is another discussion
Obviously the 84 million dollar player either isn’t getting it or is refusing to listen
Therefore the coach is doing what he thinks he needs to do to get his attention

Furthermore if we aren’t trying to make the playoffs or win the cup, what are we doing?

Does it make sense to abandon everything you’re trying to teach just because it looks like you aren’t going to make it this year?
If so, no coach or GM is ever going to make a difference

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

Yes
You’re right
Huberdeau has a great history of playing playoff style hockey

Huberdeau: 21 points in 26 playoff games (0.81 PPG)
Gaudreau: 33 points in 42 playoff games (0.79 PPG)
Tkachuk: 15 points in 27 playoff games (0.56 PPG)

Huberdeau was scapegoated for the loss to Tampa Bay last year - which is kind of funny because his 2 points actually led the team in scoring.

At 5v5 in that series he was on the ice for 2GF and 1GA which which was behind only Montour and Duclair (1GF / 0 GA)

Barkov was on for 0 GF and 2 GA.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Amazing that is even possible. I'm too lazy to look it up, but surely that is an NHL record; not a single 3rd period comeback. I'm certain the most suckiest Oiler/Sabres/BJs/whomever have had at least a single 3rd period comeback in even their worst seasons.

One of those "records" that seems impossible to achieve, even if you tried. Typical Flames to have that on their stat sheet .

Glad I missed this one. Haven't watch a game in a while TBH and probably won't until next season, the team is too exhausting. Better things to do in the evening. Better to just pop in the PGT to read how it went and if any drama unfolds.

To never have a 3rd period comeback in a season is pretty insane haha

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Huberdeau: 21 points in 26 playoff games (0.81 PPG)
Gaudreau: 33 points in 42 playoff games (0.79 PPG)
Tkachuk: 15 points in 27 playoff games (0.56 PPG)

Huberdeau was scapegoated for the loss to Tampa Bay last year - which is kind of funny because his 2 points actually led the team in scoring.

At 5v5 in that series he was on the ice for 2GF and 1GA which which was behind only Montour and Duclair (1GF / 0 GA)

Barkov was on for 0 GF and 2 GA.

Yes
All great playoff success stories

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Huberdeau: 21 points in 26 playoff games (0.81 PPG)
Gaudreau: 33 points in 42 playoff games (0.79 PPG)
Tkachuk: 15 points in 27 playoff games (0.56 PPG)

Huberdeau was scapegoated for the loss to Tampa Bay last year - which is kind of funny because his 2 points actually led the team in scoring.

At 5v5 in that series he was on the ice for 2GF and 1GA which which was behind only Montour and Duclair (1GF / 0 GA)

Barkov was on for 0 GF and 2 GA.

What happened to the Legend?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

Yes
All great playoff success stories

One player doesn't dictate a team's playoff success.

[Ashes]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Amazing that is even possible. I'm too lazy to look it up, but surely that is an NHL record; not a single 3rd period comeback. I'm certain the most suckiest Oiler/Sabres/BJs/whomever have had at least a single 3rd period comeback in even their worst seasons.

One of those "records" that seems impossible to achieve, even if you tried. Typical Flames to have that on their stat sheet .

Glad I missed this one. Haven't watch a game in a while TBH and probably won't until next season, the team is too exhausting. Better things to do in the evening. Better to just pop in the PGT to read how it went and if any drama unfolds.

Yeah it really is remarkable that the Flames have stayed so close to the playoff pack with a stat line like that. It's also shocking that this is Sutter coached team that can't win 1-goal games, when the mantra last season was "it's a 3-2 league" and two seasons ago it was "we have a lot of young guys that are learning how to win close games".