Same. I dont condone what he did at all. He did what he did and there should be consequences for that. By all accounts Bill Peters is a POS and I'm glad the Flames turfed him when they found that out even if it cost them money.
I just have a hard time believing that Bill Peters was singularly that responsible for the derelict condition of Aliu's entire career.
That’s because he most likely didn’t. Teams find talent. If he was that good he would have made it somewhere.
If you look at his career stats he floated around the minors and europe for a decade after having Peters as a coach and didn’t put up impactful numbers at any of his stops.
He even played for the Flames for a bit post Peters encounter under two different head coaches. So it’s not like he didn’t have an opportunity.
Good coach. Smart hire. Best of of luck in Lethbridge Bill.
Why is it a smart hire?
The Canes are likely going to be a non-play-off team for the next 2-3 years. Maybe Peters can get them 8th this year instead of 10th and a 4 games sweep in the first round, but it isn't like this is a team ready to compete so if you get a coach like Peters to take them over the top.
I am not saying that winning excuses hiring a guy like Peters but at least then you could somewhat understand the hire, instead of hiring a young, upcoming guy to grow with the team while it goes through the usual tough part of the CHL cycle the team is currently going to be in, they brought in a PR nightmare to be an non-factor on the ice.
I'll echo what some have said, I doubt Peters derailed Aliu's career. Peters used the N word not understanding the sensitivity but from other reports, he was just a prick altogether, doesn't matter your skin color. Aliu was seen as a problem child most likely for trying to defy the authority of the coach and not because he was black. You look how he conducts himself today, scorned and still the victim. I do appreciate that he wants to set a better path for other colored athletes but I feel he might be doing the opposite. More coaches might not want to deal with the next Aliu, might not want to get cancelled, might not want to tread lightly how they talk, might not want to walk on egg shells when dealing with a person of color. Even tough love can't exist this day and age because it can be taken the wrong way. This may prevent these younger athletes more of a barrier when trying to excel.
I'll echo what some have said, I doubt Peters derailed Aliu's career. Peters used the N word not understanding the sensitivity but from other reports, he was just a prick altogether, doesn't matter your skin color. Aliu was seen as a problem child most likely for trying to defy the authority of the coach and not because he was black. You look how he conducts himself today, scorned and still the victim. I do appreciate that he wants to set a better path for other colored athletes but I feel he might be doing the opposite. More coaches might not want to deal with the next Aliu, might not want to get cancelled, might not want to tread lightly how they talk, might not want to walk on egg shells when dealing with a person of color. Even tough love can't exist this day and age because it can be taken the wrong way. This may prevent these younger athletes more of a barrier when trying to excel.
Saying Bill Peters’ actions didn’t have anything to do with race and then going on to suggest Aliu might have actually caused more coaches to become racist is a pretty stupid position to take. You’re basically giving the majority of coaches who haven’t been racist bullies less credit than the one who actually has.
Not particularly shocking for someone who still uses the term “coloured people,” but… still bizarre.
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Saying Bill Peters’ actions didn’t have anything to do with race and then going on to suggest Aliu might have actually caused more coaches to become racist is a pretty stupid position to take. You’re basically giving the majority of coaches who haven’t been racist bullies less credit than the one who actually has.
Not particularly shocking for someone who still uses the term “coloured people,” but… still bizarre.
Do you think your opinion that Aliu will cause other coaches to be more racist actually makes sense? Or did you think about it for more than 2 seconds?
Do you think your opinion that Aliu will cause other coaches to be more racist actually makes sense? Or did you think about it for more than 2 seconds?
Listen to what you're implying. It's not about causing someone to turn racist which I didn't once say. It's about causing someone to make decisions based on optics. It's basic human psychology. If a coach doesn't use a black kid on the PP, is he racist? If he cuts the black kid on the team cuz the kid sucks, is he a racist? Nobody wants to be labelled anything negative, and so naturally most people would prefer to take the path of least resistance. That's all I'm saying. Get a grip already.
Listen to what you're implying. It's not about causing someone to turn racist which I didn't once say. It's about causing someone to make decisions based on optics. It's basic human psychology. If a coach doesn't use a black kid on the PP, is he racist? If he cuts the black kid on the team cuz the kid sucks, is he a racist? Nobody wants to be labelled anything negative, and so naturally most people would prefer to take the path of least resistance. That's all I'm saying. Get a grip already.
No? Why would he be? It’s not basic human psychology, it’s absurd.
Avoiding having Black athletes on your team because you think them being Black causes more problems than you’re willing to deal, all because of one legitimate issue involving one Black athlete, is racist, my man.
The vast majority of coaches have been navigating this without issue for the past 20+ years and just as well since this incident happened.
If you actually bothered to think about it, you’d realize that Peters is being accused of being racist for using the n-word and bullying a Black player, not because he “didn’t use him on the PP,” and there is not one coach who has been accused of racism simply for not using a Black hockey player on the PP.
Don’t be afraid to give this even a little bit of thought before you post, because you’re making it sound harder to wrap your head around than it actually is. Don’t want to be accused of racism: don’t be racist. Very complex, I know.
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Oh yeah, definitely coaches going to be walking on egg shells. One wrong move and they’ll just accidentally start a racially charged tirade against someone. Definitely something normal people have to worry about.
Also probably should avoid “colored athletes” in favour of “athletes of colour” but I’m just glad none of your egg shells broke because it could have been a lot worse lol.
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I think the only real way for everyone to move forward is for Bill Peters to immerse himself in people of color hockey culture. Maybe he needs to join a beer league team composed of only people of color.
And then let Bill choose the music. And the person of color coach can storm in one day and day "Bill I've had enough of you playing this cracker ####. bawitdaba this. bawitdaba that." And then Bill can get a taste of how it feels to be called a racial epithet and have his culture disrespected.
Obviously the c-word isn't as bad as the n-word. But nothing is. So this is perhaps the closest anyone can get to Hammurabi's code with regards to this issue. It's worth a shot I think. Maybe Billy P will feel some real empathy for the situation then.
