[News Roundup] CSEC/City arena deal UPDATED: Third Party Facilitator

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by iloveicedhockey

I imagine everything she's said has been run through the legal team, walking the line of what she's allowed to say without getting in trouble for it. This isn't an emotional knee jerk. This is still the negotiation.

Anyways, I imagine changing prices and optimistic budgets might have more influence on the goings on today than advertised.

I don't know, Gondek seems prone to emotional knee jerk reactions.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by kermitology

It’s very clear that many of you have never had to build something new in any city let alone Calgary. I had to dedicate 3m x 3m corner of my property in order to get a subdivision approved, which cost me thousands of dollars and definitely took years off of my life. Fighting for relaxations, dealing with details during build, increases in costs.. this is all part of building things. How many of you muppets who are mad at the city and Gondek, are also mad about your taxes? This stupid deal for exclusive use of a publicly funded “event centre” is making your taxes go up. Pick a lane.

Might be the most condescending post in the history of this board...and I have been around for all of them.

Hope you feel better one day.

Muppets eh?

Wow.

[CaptainCrunch]

I'm wondering how this is effected by projected operating revenue for the Flames. I mean I ain't no fancy accountant. But asking them to start paying for cost over runs, and then the city moving the goalposts and adding cost over runs (Climate change, sidewalk stuff). When the team's operating expenses are low due to Covid and haven't been spectacular since its height in 2014 could have an effect on the Flames ownership mindset.


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[Torture]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

I don't know, Gondek seems prone to emotional knee jerk reactions.

What makes you say that?

[Gemnoble]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Might be the most condescending post in the history of this board...and I have been around for all of them.

Hope you feel better one day.

Muppets eh?

Wow.

This board is hella toxic. Isn't the point of a forum to have discord and discussion?

[Torture]

I don't know why this needs to be said so many times, but the city did not move the goal posts on cost overruns.

The Flames asked for CMLC to not be the project manager (flames moving the goal posts if you will), and the city said "sure, but in exchange, you are responsible for cost overruns above x". Flames and city agreed.

The flames agreed to responsibility for cost overruns.

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Might be the most condescending post in the history of this board...and I have been around for all of them.

Hope you feel better one day.

Muppets eh?

Wow.

My point is that these kinds of things are common. Getting development permits, building permits, occupancy, subdivisions - none of this is “set in stone” like some folks seem to think a contract implies.

As for the muppet comment, yeah, if you’re complaining about your taxes going up at the same time as wanting the city to foot the bill for what should be a 100% privately funded arena, you’re a muppet and you don’t understand the first thing about fiscal responsibility.

How many times will this ownership group threaten to leave before everyone just tunes them out? Leave or don’t, stop wasting everyone’s time. This deal was bad, it got worse, and it’ll continue to get worse. The city never should have agreed to it in the first place.

Please, this is an idle threat, and I was pissed with them back when they were all over Bill Smith, and I haven’t dropped a nickel in that building since and likely never will again.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Torture

What makes you say that?

Because she's a woman, probably. Didn't you know women are far more prone to letting emotions rule over them, especially women in positions of power?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Gemnoble

This board is hella toxic. Isn't the point of a forum to have discord and discussion?

I suppose...unless you are a muppet?

Right?

[442scotty]

With all the crap that is going on these days, this happening today doesn’t surprise me. I’m at the “whatever “ point lol

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Its Edwards. Man will stop at nothing to get a favourable deal for himself; hold the line council

Good grief. Ya hold the line at the deal that was inked.

Edwards should terminate the agreements and immediately sue the City.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I suppose...unless you are a muppet?

Right?

What about when I got called a broken jack in a box from broken toy island!!??

[Acey]

Originally Posted by chubeyr1

If I am Murray Edwards I now sue the City. He will win!

This seems a premature statement given that you are likely not a lawyer and, like most everyone else, know nothing about specific terms of the deal.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Chi-Town Hustler

But won't you locals complain about higher ticket prices once a new arena is built?

It’s our civic duty to complain about everything. Rabble rabble!

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Torture

What about when I got called a broken jack in a box from broken toy island!!??

That's an awesome burn honestly. I'm sure you felt terrible I'm so sorry.

[DinnerDog]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Good grief. Ya hold the line at the deal that was inked.

Edwards should terminate the agreements and immediately sue the City.

Sue them for what? Asking to re-negotiate?

If anything, given that CSEC is now threatening to tear up the contract (if that happens), the City would sue CSEC.

[djsFlames]

Words and actions not matching up here. Looks like tough talk to squeeze more out of the public due to inflation on materials.

But the timing with Christmas and a covid ravaged team once again looks very poor on CSEC.

They do great things in the community behind the scenes, but public relations has really never been their forte, has it? Consistently tone deaf and the way they go about negotiating can sure leave a sour taste in the community for good reason. I think Calgary deserves better than the way they've gone about things in recent years.

[zamler]

Why is this all being aired on social media.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by zamler

That's an awesome burn honestly. I'm sure you felt terrible I'm so sorry.

I feel pretty bad about it. It's on the same level as Muppet and both should probably be banned from this forum because they are so terribly insulting and insensitive.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by kermitology

It’s very clear that many of you have never had to build something new in any city let alone Calgary. I had to dedicate 3m x 3m corner of my property in order to get a subdivision approved, which cost me thousands of dollars and definitely took years off of my life. Fighting for relaxations, dealing with details during build, increases in costs.. this is all part of building things. How many of you muppets who are mad at the city and Gondek, are also mad about your taxes? This stupid deal for exclusive use of a publicly funded “event centre” is making your taxes go up. Pick a lane.

Just have to say, kermit calling people muppets was funny.