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[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by mile

Doubt it’s Eichel related, but

https://twitter.com/user/status/1454870314307833857

A Twitter account called Sabresbuzz also replied to this tweet saying the Flames want Lindholm, Hanifin, Coronato, 1st… but that sounds like BS. Probably a good idea to ignore that account

So our best center, best defenseman, best prospect and a 1st. Yeah I guess I’d want that, too. Might as well shoot for the stars.

[robertsfanatic]

Originally Posted by mile

A Twitter account called Sabresbuzz also replied to this tweet saying the Flames want Lindholm, Hanifin, Coronato, 1st… but that sounds like BS. Probably a good idea to ignore that account

interested in hearing from the get Eichel at all costs contingent - would you do this trade?

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

Wow the more and more I hear of what people are suggesting for Eichel the more and more I am firmly hoping we DO NOT do it. Please Brad. Don’t get caught up in the insanity. Mortgaging the farm for a player with a broken neck is just insanity.

Tie this guy up and throw him in a trunk!

Do it Brad.

Dewit.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by robertsfanatic

interested in hearing from the get Eichel at all costs contingent - would you do this trade?

No, I wouldn’t do Lindholm, Hanifin, Coronato and a 1st.

The whole point of acquiring Eichel, for me, is to give the core you’ve assembled a legitimate shot with a top tier centre.

Not to disassemble them and start anew with a different franchise player.

Eichel, Lindholm, Gaudreau, at minimum- I’d prefer to keep Tkachuk, but if he’s required to make it happen, then I’m good keeping Mangiapane and Dube.

I don’t care as much about the prospects - Zary and Pelletier are 12-24 months away from taking a regular shift, never mind being impact players that Darryl trusts in high stakes situations.

Coronato would suck to lose, but if it gets you the C you’ve lacked since Nieuwendyk, so be it.

Plus a 1st this year? Fine. It’ll be somewhere between 20 and 32. Ditto next year.

But you can’t have arguably our best D, our best C under contract for two more years, our best prospect and a 1st this year.

Vegas isn’t offering you that.

[Macman]

I wonder if the reason why we haven't seen this deal get done is because Buffalo is asking too much when they should be the one compromising to get a deal done. I'm thinking that whoever gets Jack Eichel will probably get fleeced. I hope it's not the Flames.

Buffalo needs to get this deal done more than anyone because they basically have split up with Eichel and he has a potentially significant injury issue. Plus they have to move forward and get it all over with.

They're not in the bargaining position here and no team should give up what they're demanding in my view. But of course some team will. Will be bad if it's the Flames.

[McG]

Originally Posted by Con-Roy!

Well, how’s this one, on a flight now and overheard someone from the Flames front office make it seem like it is unlikely and would cost Chucky to land Eichel.

Hmmm…well username checks out!

[Vinny01]

I would have done the Tkachuk deal with some significant ++ in the offseason if Eichel was going to get surgery and be good to go by the start of the season. Doing that deal now is a lot harder since Tkachuk is a huge part of the top line and looks good with Lindholm and Johnny.

If it is Tkachuk now then I would only want to add a conditional 2nd rounder that turns into a 1st based on games played or playoffs or something like that? I would still do it but would really prefer to have it be Monahan+Valimaki+Picks/prospects.

[Knightslayer]

If Tkachuk is involved there should be no + at all. 1 for 1.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

If Tkachuk is involved there should be no + at all. 1 for 1.

What do people see in Tkachuk that makes him so valuable? I just don't get it. I think he's great and important but I think he is really overvalued.

[sa226]

I have no tweets or rumors to share, but my working theory is that The Flames offer is the best offer that works, ie can fit under the Flames cap.

However, Vegas has what Buffalo wants. Krebs. Not to mention, at this rate a higher 1st rounder.

But Vegas can't make it work with Krebs as the center piece, so they need to dump some cap. Buffalo doesn't want a cap dump, they want a Theodore or another roster player that can make an impact. Vegas doesn't want to move a higher end roster player AND move Krebs. Especially for a player that won't play for a few months and especially since Vegas is struggling as it is. So you have a stalemate of, "if Krebs is your prize you have to take a cap dump to make it work for us"........"Ummmm we're talking about Jack Eichel here, we'll do the dictating thankyouverymuch "

You heard it here first folks.

[Lanny_McDonald]

You make the Eichel deal and then you use Tkachuk to fill the gaps created to bring in Eichel. You're better off dealing away his big salary and then committing the money to Mangiapane and the other RFAs, and add a couple players to fill the gaps. Still say it was a big mistake not to move him to St. Louis when they had the chance. Tarasenko, Kyrou and Perunovich would have been some really nice adds to the team, now and in the future. I hope that boat hasn't completely sailed.

[the-rasta-masta]

I'm big on the bring in Eichel train. But Lindholm, Coronato, Hanifin, and a 1st? That is just insane.

Lindholm is one of the best contracts in the league, and has 189 points in 215 games as a Flame, for just under 0.9PPG. If we were going to trade him, you do so at the deadline where a contender would be giving us multiple 1sts and a roster player because the quality of player for the cap hit is huge. Eichel's PPG average over the same term averages out to 14 extra points per season. Is that worth more than doubling the cap hit?

Honestly if Lindholm is involved in a trade for Eichel (which he won't be), you're adding a conditional 1st based on Eichel's health and thats all. Not the #1 defensemen who is younger than Eichel, the top prospect in our system who was the best goal scorer in his draft and has started his college career with a bang, and a #1 pick on the top of it.

Eichel will never get traded if thats that ask.

[Con-Roy!]

Originally Posted by Sutter_in_law

Is this a joke, or serious?

It’s true. Obviously being a professional he wasn’t going to divulge a lot of information to the public so I am basing this on what I saw and he did say it would cost Tkachuk.

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by Buff

What do people see in Tkachuk that makes him so valuable? I just don't get it. I think he's great and important but I think he is really overvalued.

Not about Tkachuk but Eichels neck injury.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

You make the Eichel deal and then you use Tkachuk to fill the gaps created to bring in Eichel. You're better off dealing away his big salary and then committing the money to Mangiapane and the other RFAs, and add a couple players to fill the gaps. Still say it was a big mistake not to move him to St. Louis when they had the chance. Tarasenko, Kyrou and Perunovich would have been some really nice adds to the team, now and in the future. I hope that boat hasn't completely sailed.

Was there ever any legitimate rumour. I don’t think a former player whose motives were probably a little self serving in order to gain interest/downloads for his podcast counts.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Was there ever any legitimate rumour. I don’t think a former player whose motives were probably a little self serving in order to gain interest/downloads for his podcast counts.

Has there ever been a legitimate rumor on Eichel, other than media types trying to stir up clicks for their articles or podcast visits? That's the thing about rumors, they are never really factual until a trade comes to fruition. That is unless you take media types and visits to Orange Julius as credible sources of information. And yeah, a Calgary Flames executive is going to be divulging information about current negotiations to some guy on a plane. That sounds like something the Flames are famous for. If there is one team that is good at keeping #### on the downlow, its the Flames.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by sa226

I have no tweets or rumors to share, but my working theory is that The Flames offer is the best offer that works, ie can fit under the Flames cap.

However, Vegas has what Buffalo wants. Krebs. Not to mention, at this rate a higher 1st rounder.

But Vegas can't make it work with Krebs as the center piece, so they need to dump some cap. Buffalo doesn't want a cap dump, they want a Theodore or another roster player that can make an impact. Vegas doesn't want to move a higher end roster player AND move Krebs. Especially for a player that won't play for a few months and especially since Vegas is struggling as it is. So you have a stalemate of, "if Krebs is your prize you have to take a cap dump to make it work for us"........"Ummmm we're talking about Jack Eichel here, we'll do the dictating thankyouverymuch "

You heard it here first folks.

This would explain an awful lot.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Has there ever been a legitimate rumor on Eichel, other than media types trying to stir up clicks for their articles or podcast visits? That's the thing about rumors, they are never really factual until a trade comes to fruition. That is unless you take media types and visits to Orange Julius as credible sources of information. And yeah, a Calgary Flames executive is going to be divulging information about current negotiations to some guy on a plane. That sounds like something the Flames are famous for. If there is one team that is good at keeping #### on the downlow, its the Flames.

I think he was referring to your "Tarasenko, Kyrou and Perunovich for Tkachuk" comment.

[djsFlames]

I'd do Tkachuk and the equivalent of a first, plus whatever minor piece they want to tack on there.

We have mangiapane and Johnny at left wing to fill out the top six.

Tkachuk for Eichel who plays the more important position and is an upgrade makes sense, particularly if Tkachuk's appetite to re-sign here is just lukewarm and he wants to hold out for anything more than his QO.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I'd do Tkachuk and the equivalent of a first, plus whatever minor piece they want to tack on there.

We have mangiapane and Johnny at left wing to fill out the top six.

Tkachuk for Eichel who plays the more important position and is an upgrade makes sense, particularly if Tkachuk's appetite to re-sign here is just lukewarm and he wants to hold out for anything more than his QO.

Thing is I don’t know why the Sabres would want this - they’d inherit the same problem.